four-wheel-drive Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I see the inquiry on the Derrick Bird shootings have said that the police did all that they could that may be so but things could or should have been so much different if only the police had guns or had guns in there cars if I remember correctly when he shot one or two people the two police men followed him in a car but had to stop as he threatened them had they been armed they could have taken him out there and then saving all of those people from being shot its ok for the police not to be armed in London as an armed response teem would be minutes away but in the country it is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think they should be armed but seen as most are jobs worth power mad junkies it would be a disaster they'd probably just shoot randomly anyway. Herd on the radio the investigation ruled that the people he shot was unlawfully killed. No **** wonder how much that cost the tax payer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeNextTime Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Things would have been a lot different if everyone had been armed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) The cops were armed, so were many others who saw what was happening. Someone should have rammed the ****** with their car. I suppose thats not H&S compatible Edit is the punctuation corect now?.....muppet Edited March 26, 2011 by Sha Bu Le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Punctuation is your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 arm the police in this nanny state,you must be jokeing give the police guns and they leave them on top there cars and drive off, or leave them in a toilet,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbirdtrev Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 arm the police in this nanny state,you must be jokeing give the police guns and they leave them on top there cars and drive off, or leave them in a toilet,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 It looks like the UK police are the only ones who are not armed France, Spain OZ, NW, USA etc. I am not saying ALL copper maybe a few more IE must have served 5 years plus On mossy835 point even the firearms unit are stupid When I 1st went to get my FAC forms as I walked out a load of armed police were walking away from a mini bus as I walked passed said bus It was nice to the see door open a LOADED MP5 just left on the back seat Wouldn't have taken much to nick it put it in my car and drive off. Instead being a responsible shooter I shouted a near by copper who couldn't say sorry enough for any alarm it caused I did ask in compensation go I have a go lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Punctuation is your friend. Agreed, it makes it a lot easier to read. Edited March 26, 2011 by willy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I dont think they should all be armed - if they were I bet more petty crims would start carrying. Perhaps more armed response teams needed - but where do You draw the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 or we should have it on our fac "to shoot in order to protect" my folks live in thornhill near egremont right where it all kicked off if i was home at the time and seen him i would have shot him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Give them guns. UK police forces are pretty much the only ones in Europe, and the Western world for that matter, that don't routinely arm their officers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I dont think they should all be armed - if they were I bet more petty crims would start carrying. Perhaps more armed response teams needed - but where do You draw the line? I do not buy this for one minute for a start it is not that simple to get hold of a gun and if you do get caught with one the punishment would not be worth it. Most of the shootings where hand guns are used are drug related and tend to be gang related nothing is going to stop that. Most of the other shootings are usually normal people who loose it for some reason and use guns that they have to hand shotguns and or.22 riffles. Much as some people would like to they cannot be banned as they are needed for pest control. My ideal would be for country police to have shotguns in safe compartment in there cars much as the American police used to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) I do not buy this for one minute for a start it is not that simple to get hold of a gun and if you do get caught with one the punishment would not be worth it. Most of the shootings where hand guns are used are drug related and tend to be gang related nothing is going to stop that. Most of the other shootings are usually normal people who loose it for some reason and use guns that they have to hand shotguns and or.22 riffles. Much as some people would like to they cannot be banned as they are needed for pest control. My ideal would be for country police to have shotguns in safe compartment in there cars much as the American police used to do. If it's not that easy to buy moody firearms - why do we need all Police armed? The recent events actually are not that common, so we go back to more "stringent" firearm licensing and vetting procedures? What I would agree with, is the fact that perhaps more specialist teams are needed, but arming every bobby is just not needed in My opinion. Edited March 26, 2011 by Devon Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 As for drug dealers having guns if they can smuggle drugs in the the country it would be relatively simple to bring in some guns for there own use. its not that simple for your average petty crooks to get hold of them way to expensive for them I would think. The main problem is in the country where guns are tools that people need for pest control etc more specialist teams would be of little use if the policeman is ten miles from help down winding roads as in the Bird case he could have been shot way before things got so out of hand if the police had some sort of gun in there vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 The thing that worries me is a terrorist attack - Don't anyone tell me there isn't cache's of arms in this country hoarded by numerous groups that live here - I remember less than a year back UK customs randomly stopped a East European truck and found 9 handgun and ammo - where was that going to end up - if one man can go on a shooting spree in country area what do you think a group of four people willing to die can do in a crowded high street - you wouldn't get an armed cop for ages. Heaven forbid it does happen but it might spur whatever gov is in charge to do something about anti british feeling in this country. Another odd one but was watching the census prog last night and they were in a village in Oxfordshire - comparing then and now - in fact it was quite interesting and right at very end the presenter said - you have more chance of being shot out here than in the town - showed a clip of someone loading a very nice SxS and firing a shot off - Where in hell did that comment come from ?? - I sat there openmouthed it had nothing to do with prog . Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 It takes a lot of dosh to arm a cop and sadly many county forces have slashed their numbers so dramatically that incidents like this are easy to happen. As stated somewhere previous, London is probably the exception but in the rest of the country it could take an awful ong time to get armed police to the scene like in Cumbria. By then it's all over and many people have died. The role of the specialist firearms officer in conty forces needs to be looked and options like junior commanders (inspector level) can authorise immediate arming of firearm trained (but not to SFO level) cops to at least hopeflly limit the damage some one like bird can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Wonder what would happen if some certificate holder shot him in the arms/leg to disable him do you think it would be a big pat on the back for saving lives of to prison for shooting him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) .oops Edited March 26, 2011 by Devon Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeNextTime Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Another odd one but was watching the census prog last night and they were in a village in Oxfordshire - comparing then and now - in fact it was quite interesting and right at very end the presenter said - you have more chance of being shot out here than in the town - showed a clip of someone loading a very nice SxS and firing a shot off - Where in hell did that comment come from ?? - I sat there openmouthed it had nothing to do with prog . Dave I noticed that as well; very odd. I think Marrs phrased it something like, "there is more gun crime in the countryside than the cities". I suspect he's including air guns, licensing issues and poaching in those figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Maybe we should pull back the army from the waste lands of this world and have them patrolling with the police by far the soldiers of this country are more disciplined and as use of firearms is basic for them wouldn't take much more plus by pulling them out of the hell hole they are in it will save BILLIONS some of which will pay for the soldiers to patrol with the police. Plus the army are not as trigger happy they would have been knocked out of them in week one. The copper will still have over all control BUT in a case like Bird the soldier would be able to shoot back with a more accurate shot which would over all be safer for Joe public. And on the other plus side would YOU really go up against an armed soldier who is SAS, SBS, Para, Royal marine? Because I bloody wouldn't. Many won't agree with it and claim its communist-the idea is the soldiers are an armed back up or the officer on duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 If somebody wants to go on a rampage killing people do you think having armed police makes a difference? He was on the move in a car, I suggested a copper should of immobilised his car but H&S brigade came out and said one life is better than twelve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 arm the police in this nanny state,you must be jokeing give the police guns and they leave them on top there cars and drive off, or leave them in a toilet,. Sadly police officers like most people are not perfect. Unlike some posters on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bangs Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I do not buy this for one minute for a start it is not that simple to get hold of a gun Are you serious ? it's probably easier now than it has ever been. go to the right pubs and speak to the right people and you can get almost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 or we should have it on our fac "to shoot in order to protect" my folks live in thornhill near egremont right where it all kicked off if i was home at the time and seen him i would have shot him. You might say this but military research shows that the average person is physically unable to shoot another human when it comes to the crunch. 90% of the population have a brain which is wired not to kill in a cold blooded situation or when they themselves are in danger. Military training changes this to around 80% that can kill in these situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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