youngshot Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 hi, i hav about 80 acre of grass land on wich to shoot over, now the pigeons arnt landing on my patch they are just flying hight and fast over it! :< I hav tryed every thing in budget but being only 15 and still @ school im short on cash! Does anybody hav any tips that might help me bag some pidgeons but are posible on a tight budget??! id be greatful for any advice! youngshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddy Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 It may help if you give us your location, not given is a popular place but the people there seldom get a reply ! Secondly, who are you shooting with (assuming you use a SG)? I note you are only 15 so you won't be able to use one on your own - can they offer any advice? What have you tried so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngshot Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 how do i cange my location? i hav my own shotgun licence, so i do shoot on my own, yeah i shoot with a 12 bore o/u. well - decoys- in many diff patterns, flowters, but i cant aford a magnet siting under the flight line hopeing to get a shot and i hav shot 1 pidgoen that way just walikng around hping to get a shot i dont no what to try nxt relli? or do i hav to spend some money on a magnet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Roberts Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thought at 15 you had to be accompanied by some one over 21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 If birds aren`t coming to your field then they are getting better food elsewhere,so a magnet is not,IMO,the way forward. I would try setting out your decoys near the flightline as that should get you nearer to the birds.At this time of year birds are getting on the drillings and can get thirsty,so don`t forget to check easy watering areas ie. drinking troughs,or shallow areas where cattle and sheep have trampled the banking of rivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) At the age of 15 you may use a shotgun on your own which has been 'given' to you on your lisence on any land you have permission to shoot. rifles are a different case completely Edited April 10, 2006 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngshot Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 well this is from the BASC site here the link ... (http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shotgunpractice) It is an offence for a person under the age of 15 to have with him, or her, an assembled shotgun except while under the supervision of a person of 21 or more, or while the shotgun is so covered with a securely fastened gun cover that it cannot be fired. It is an offence to be in possession of a loaded shotgun in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. so that means i can shoot on my own because im not under 15! i think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngshot Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 the whole farm i very low lying so is it mayb the birds dont like getting ther feet wet or sumthing? the crows and rooks dont seam to mind a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddy Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) how do i cange my location? i hav my own shotgun licence, so i do shoot on my own, yeah i shoot with a 12 bore o/u. well - decoys- in many diff patterns, flowters, but i cant aford a magnet siting under the flight line hopeing to get a shot and i hav shot 1 pidgoen that way just walikng around hping to get a shot i dont no what to try nxt relli? or do i hav to spend some money on a magnet? If you are 15 you..... CAN: Hold a shotgun certificate AND Hold a firearm certificate. CAN (If authorised by the relevant certificate): Receive a gift of a Section 1 firearm from the age of 14 years old. CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire a shotgun until 17 years old. CANNOT Purchase or hire a firearm until 17 years old. CANNOT Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. CANNOT Possess an assembled shotgun unless: (I) supervised by a person over 21 years old, (preferably a shotgun certificate holder), OR (II) the gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun-cover that it cannot be fired. To change your locatio go to 'My Controls' at the top right of the page, then go to Edit Profile Info. Edited April 10, 2006 by waddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) exactly so youngshot. Not alot of people realise how young you may shoot with a shotgun on your own, or that you can actually be 'given' a shotgun, but cannot buy one. Even my local force do not understand this, and this has been one area they thought they knew better about. A quick call to the basc put them straight, and of course i got a complete appology for my wasted time (not ) keeping shot birds would probably be your best bet. They can be kept frozen for up to 2 months i believe. You might also try roost shooting. Try and look for area's where there are droppings or feathers below tree's and then have a sit in these woods late afternoon. Edited April 10, 2006 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) how do i cange my location? i hav my own shotgun licence, so i do shoot on my own, yeah i shoot with a 12 bore o/u. well - decoys- in many diff patterns, flowters, but i cant aford a magnet siting under the flight line hopeing to get a shot and i hav shot 1 pidgoen that way just walikng around hping to get a shot i dont no what to try nxt relli? or do i hav to spend some money on a magnet? If you are 15 you..... CAN: Hold a shotgun certificate AND Hold a firearm certificate. CAN (If authorised by the relevant certificate): Receive a gift of a Section 1 firearm from the age of 14 years old. CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire a shotgun until 17 years old. CANNOT Purchase or hire a firearm until 17 years old. CANNOT Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. CANNOT Possess an assembled shotgun unless: (I) supervised by a person over 21 years old, (preferably a shotgun certificate holder), OR (II) the gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun-cover that it cannot be fired. To change your locatio go to 'My Controls' at the top right of the page, then go to Edit Profile Info. i think you will find you cannot posses one in public unless covered (but i may be wrong) you can be given a shotgun. (remember there are many other ways of getting a shotgun on your ticket than buying) i have certainly been shooting since i was 16 with a shotgun on my own, with the police knowing i do so, and them not objecting. I have also held several shotguns and firearms from the age of 16, becuase you only need to be 14 to be 'given or transphered' these. (*might have got this wrong after seeing one of the posts*) you cannot sell or buy a shotgun untill you are 17 Edited April 10, 2006 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 If you are 15 you..... CANNOT Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. ? how does that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 maybe it's a very old shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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youngshot Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 um i think he may hav got it wrong!! i just rang BASC up and the say its a lie and i can shoot on my own on land that i have permision as i am 15 and hav a curent shotgun certificate ! yay ! now that that is over has anybody got any tips to help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddy Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Sorry Nick, I gyppo'd the info from the Met Police website...... http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/age.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Assuming your grassland has clover in it, then pigeons will visit it to feed at some time. If pigeons are flying over your decoys and ignoring them, have a look at your hide, are the pigeons seeing you ? The more decoys you can set out the better. Nick's suggestion of using dead birds is good , as this saves you buying any more decoys. All the other suggestions are certainly worth a try, but you may just have to persevere. At the moment the birds are spoilt for choice and it can be difficult to get them to concentrate on one area for any length of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 or do i hav to spend some money on a magnet? When you get round to NEEDING one There ARE plans about where you can make your OWN magnet from a window wiper motor from a car. Sure one of the lads on here will have made on at one point and perhaps they can email you the plans??? I am sure e.b.a.y had the plans on there. Cheapes Magnet i saw was about £40 but a motor from the scrappy and a few hours work can save you £30 of that no doubt reg LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Roberts Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 well this is from the BASC site here the link ... (http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shotgunpractice) It is an offence for a person under the age of 15 to have with him, or her, an assembled shotgun except while under the supervision of a person of 21 or more, or while the shotgun is so covered with a securely fastened gun cover that it cannot be fired. It is an offence to be in possession of a loaded shotgun in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. so that means i can shoot on my own because im not under 15! i think ? Wasnt having a do or anything fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 unreal a 15 year old wandering round the fields on his own with a loaded shotgun :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Ref a 15 year old walking around with a loaded shotgun on his own... This is not just any average 15 yr old - it's one who has applied for a certificate, been checked out by the police, and who has secure storage and a good reason to possess a shotgun...and been trusted with somewhere to shoot by the landowner ! Unlike unlicensed airgunners who cannot do this and are subject to supervision until 17. Happy shooting mate. I had the same problem and still have it - my shooting is mainly on a dairy farm. The only option I have is to sit under "sitty" trees - maybe with a decoy put up in the tree, which I do by chucking a weighted line up and hauling a decoy up there. I also put some deeks out in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 (edited) Unlike unlicensed airgunners who cannot do this and are subject to supervision until 17. actually a 14 year old airgunner can walk around legally on land with permission without supervision. I think you shold know your facts before dismissing others. Edited April 20, 2006 by beatingisbest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire a shotgun until 17 years old. Purchase or hire a firearm until 17 years old. Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. Possess an assembled shotgun unless: (a) supervised by a person over 21 years old, (preferably a shotgun certificate holder), OR ( the gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun-cover that it cannot be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Thank you beatingisbest. You are quite right "Aged 14 – 17 years You may not buy or hire an air rifle or ammunition. You may not receive an air rifle or ammunition as a gift but you may borrow one. If you are under 17 then your air rifle and ammunition must be bought for you by someone over 17 – normally your parent, guardian or some other responsible adult. If you are aged between 14 – 17 years you may use an air rifle on private premises without supervision with the consent of the occupier – normally the owner or tenant. However, if you allow a pellet to go outside of the premises whilst you are shooting then you commit a criminal offence. You may not carry an air rifle in a public place unless you are supervised by a person of 21 years or over and you have a reasonable excuse to do so, for example, whilst on the way to a club or land where you have permission to shoot. It is common sense to carry the air rifle in a gun cover and you should always ensure that it is unloaded." From BASC website I was not meaning to criticise anyone. My post was trying to stand up for 15 year old shotgun owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELMOR FUDD Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Also unreal, unsafe people walking round in groups.... Whats wrong with a 15 year old on his own with a gun ?? Also i wouldn't bother with a magnet, i dont use one atm. As you're 15 you will probably be carrying you're gear about so you'll need to be as light as poss. Floaters/bouncers give movement to your pattern. Nothing wrong with a 15 year old walking around a field with a shotgun minding his own business and enjoying his/her sport. I did it and was told that i was safer than some of the older shooters....lol Long time ago now tho.........now 28 Enjoy your sport young..un and dont be put off by people or the police if they get a bit funny with you. Been stopped many a time by the police because they thought i was breaking the law and they soon went away with their tale between their legs..lol good look with the pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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