phaedra1106 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) Hi, about a month ago I took my eldest to Manchester and while I was down picked up 2000 Hull Comp X 28gr Fibre Wad from A Branthwaite Gunsmiths. Having now used the last of my Eley cartridges I switched to the Comp X today with huge problems :( Loading 2 into the magazine and then cycling the action results in both cartridges coming out of the mag and jamming the action, they do this on both my Escorts, one is the older type with the side button the other is the newer fast load system. These are the only cartridges I've had a problem loading and compared to the Eleys they are 3mm shorter so I'm guessing that's the problem. If anyone else has some and could measure the OAL I would be obliged, mine measure 52.8 to 52.9mmm the Eleys are 55.8 to 55.9mm Edited June 26, 2011 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve'o Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Hi, about a month ago I took my eldest to Manchester and while I was down picked up 2000 Hull Comp X 28gr Fibrde Wa from A Branthwaite Gunsmiths. Having now used the last of my Eley cartridges I switched to the Comp X today with huge problems :( Loading 2 into the magazine and then cycling the action results in both cartridges coming out of the mag and jamming the action, they do this on both my Escorts, one is the older type with the side button the other is the newer fast load system. These are the only cartridges I've had a problem loading and compared to the Eleys they are 3mm shorter so I'm guessing that's the problem. If anyone else has some and could measure the OAL I would be obliged, mine measure 52.8 to 52.9mmm the Eleys are 55.8 to 55.9mm My Hatsan Escort is new type fast load system , spec on these guns said to use 70mm or 76mm carts Mine will fire carts that are 67mm but will jam like yours loading 2 in mag and one in chamber if using a 65mm or true 2 1/2" cart like Hull Comp X 28gr Fibre Wad. I can use 65mm or 2 1/2" carts if using my Escort SA as a 2 shot , one in the mag , one in chamber Eley Carts as marked 67mm on the case , I use Hull InterComp 28g fibre 67mm all cycle no problem Edited June 27, 2011 by Steve'o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Most semis will not shoot comp x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 just been and measured one and i got the same sizes 52.8 to 52.9mmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) That's closed length you guys are measuring, cartridges are measured in their pre crimped stage - from base to end of open crimp. (I think) Edited June 27, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 That's closed length you guys are measuring, cartridges are measured in their pre crimped stage - from base to end of open crimp. (I think) yes, otherwise they would jam after firing as the case would get longer! The problem is the Hat Stand, not the carts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Most semis will not shoot comp x. Benelli M2 works fine with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I can't put the comp x through my Hatsan either, it cycles most other 28g clay loads well though. I have found Kent velocity's very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 does it work if you load one into mag then chamber it then load 2 into in mag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 does it work if you load one into mag then chamber it then load 2 into in mag No, both versions will work with 1 chambered and 1 in the mag but putting 2 in they jam every time. Will just have to load with 1 chambered instead of 2 in the mag or use them in my O/U. Shame as they are noticeably softer than the Eleys on my shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shame as they are noticeably softer than the Eleys on my shoulder. Think thats the reason why you are having problems with the cycling, Felt recoil should be minimised by using an auto anyway so try a more "punchy" cartridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 No, both versions will work with 1 chambered and 1 in the mag but putting 2 in they jam every time. Will just have to load with 1 chambered instead of 2 in the mag or use them in my O/U. Shame as they are noticeably softer than the Eleys on my shoulder. Being CompX, which is a clay load, then having only one in the mag sounds OK to me, or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I suppose it is slower to load 2 in that manner than 2 at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) The "2 in the mag and nothing chambered" is more of a safety thing with the semi-auto, with nothing chambered while loading and only cycling the action when shooter and gun are ready to shoot means the gun is 100% safe until ready to fire, I know it's overkill and most others don't do it but it's just an added level of safety. Edited June 28, 2011 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK38 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 The "2 in the mag and nothing chambered" is more of a safety thing with the semi-auto, with nothing chambered while loading and only cycling the action when shooter and gun are ready to shoot means the gun is 100% safe until ready to fire, I know it's overkill and most others don't do it but it's just an added level of safety. While i can see you are trying to achieve extra safety, to me it appears way over the top... surely , you only load the gun once you are in the stand and ready to shoot... so the gun should be pointing in a safe direction anyway, so loading one in chamber and one in mag would be as safe as anything you could do..... why make it harder? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve'o Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 yes, otherwise they would jam after firing as the case would get longer! The problem is the Hat Stand, not the carts! The problem is not the Hat Stand as instructions say to use 70mm or 76mm carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve'o Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I can't put the comp x through my Hatsan either, it cycles most other 28g clay loads well though. I have found Kent velocity's very good That because Kent Velocitys are a 70mm cartridge and comp x is a 65mm cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I don't think it's only because of length, the comp x cartridges are soft as hell and I don't know anyone that uses them successfully in a semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I don't think it's only because of length, the comp x cartridges are soft as hell and I don't know anyone that uses them successfully in a semi. You do now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 What model is it John? I'm assuming it's a fairly modern one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 303 sporter semi (berreta) fires them no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 What model is it John? I'm assuming it's a fairly modern one? Benelli M2, approx 2 1/2 years old with a relatively low shot count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 It`s actually a mix of the two. Semi auto`s are set up to use 70mm or bigger but will easily shoot a 65-67mm if the cartridge has a lot of recoil. The fact is that the Comp X has a powder mix that gives it very little recoil with excellent killing power and speed. A few Auto`s will use them but not without the occasional jam. A few of the older Auto`s will also use them because of the wear the gun has had making it loose so helps the mechanism work without friction anywhere. My Benelli Vinci and Beretta Urika 2 keeps jamming with them, where as my brothers old Beretta Teknys will cycle them easily because its been used for hundreds of thousands of 32g pigeon loads which has loosened it right up. Best bet is to take them back and replace them with something that kicks like a mule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) I should add that with one in the chamber and 1 in the mag it cycles fine when fired. It only jams when there's 2 in the mag as they both come out together when it's cycled either by firing or by hand. Edited June 29, 2011 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I don't think it's only because of length, the comp x cartridges are soft as hell and I don't know anyone that uses them successfully in a semi. I use them in my Franchi 48L. The odd one doesn't cycle fully, but the vast majority do. (It became a lot better after I stripped and degreased the action, then re-lubed it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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