VULTURE Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hi Out walking my Greyhound last night on local park,he is always on a lead and is very well behaved,gets on with other dogs. But there was a woman with two very small dogs NOT on leads and one of them came over from other side of the park and started jumping up at my dogs face snapping and snarling, my dog gives this yappy thing a quick nip on its back which then ran off yelping, if my dog had caused injury would i be liable even though he was on a lead and hers was not? , She had no control over these dogs and i got the impression that she thinks it was my fault. Cheers Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I really hope not your dog was only sticking up for its self. Things like this really agrevates me i had a similar situation a few months ago i had my dogs to heal totally under control and some womans dog bit my spanial i booted her dog in the face as hard as i could and she rang the police. when the police arrived it was obvious her dog was out of control as she couldnt even get it back to put it on the lead and the officer was 100% behind me. I wouldnt worry vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 You would not be liable for any injury caused to her dog in those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Very annoying when another dog enters your space and stirs up your mutts. I make a point of giving other dogs a wide berth when walking unless we are all on leads. I was fishing at a reservoir with a public footpath round it and my two were chilling in the sun. All of a sudden these two collies came flying into our space and my two went mental. Had the owner attempted to call them back I would have at least had a five second warning but he did nothing and it got messy as it frightened the life out of the Patterdale and he reverted to his default under threat setting. This guy then started giving it the big one about my terrier being a menace as he stood his ground. I was about to spit the dummy and the chap next to me told him to F off as he and his F-ing dogs were ruining everybodys peaceful day and we'd all paid for the privilege of being there. Ended up having a good bit of banter with the other fisherman and when the guy came back through he'd put his dogs on a lead. I could rant about inconsiderate dog owners all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 This has happened to me a few times. On both occasions I have kicked the offending dogs until they have moved away. One of the owners threatened to call the police until I told him I was the police and pointed to the sign saying all dogs must be on leads. I used to have a small dog who was a little bit grumpy and when we lived in town he was always on a lead. I used to like it when dogs would run over barking at him and the owners would shout "it's ok he won't bite". I would answer "this one will". They soon got their dogs back. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I really hope not your dog was only sticking up for its self. Things like this really agrevates me i had a similar situation a few months ago i had my dogs to heal totally under control and some womans dog bit my spanial i booted her dog in the face as hard as i could and she rang the police. when the police arrived it was obvious her dog was out of control as she couldnt even get it back to put it on the lead and the officer was 100% behind me. I wouldnt worry vulture I totaly agree that the dogs should be under control and in no way would i say you would be liable i have had the police around my house due to someone ringing them and telling them i had dangerous dogs (boxer and a staff) when the police came an saw my two dogs he laughed and asked what had happened it turned out the lady that forgot to mention her kids had been teasing and tormenting the dogs through my fence (dogs can't get out) and all they dogs did was bark. she was done for wasting police time. If the dog was to going to bite or attack you Phil then i can understand you kicking the dog However if you kicked my dog full on in the face out of control or not for biting your dog I would of returned the favor to you with my size 14's. At this point I would like to add that my dogs are always under control and have never or never would attack anyone or there dog. Edited June 30, 2011 by fergie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Sorry but the guy has right to defend his dog if it's being attacked and if that involves giving an out of control dog a boot then fair play, if you tried to do the same to the owner you'd be arrested and probably lose your cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Sorry but the guy has right to defend his dog if it's being attacked and if that involves giving an out of control dog a boot then fair play, if you tried to do the same to the owner you'd be arrested and probably lose your cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) edited. Edited June 30, 2011 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love dogs but theres no way im just going to stand aside whilst someones dog goes for mine, the police didnt seem to think it was an issue and i dont. Also allthough they never would if the tables were turned and one of my dogs went for someone elses they would have recived the same treatment. i dont regret my actions, the other dog owner was in the wrong not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 if my dog had caused injury would i be liable even though he was on a lead and hers was not? , Nope.Its a civil matter and the Police wont get involved-unless a human is bitten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 this happened to me a few years ago . i was out walking some scrub land with my border collie bitch under control , another dog comes running over and starts to pester her etc for a good 5 mins while i,m waiting for the usless owner to restrain it , i shouted the owner to get the ******* dog away from her and pushed it away with my boot several times , she got so fed up she turned round and ripped its jowls off one side of its faces , there was blood ever where , i was shocked , but not as shocked as the other dog and owner.. there was some very heated words etc , but nothing came of it , in fact i dont blame her , she was protecting herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 If the dog was to going to bite or attack you Phil then i can understand you kicking the dog However if you kicked my dog full on in the face out of control or not for biting your dog I would of returned the favor to you with my size 14's. Size 14's or not if your dog was around me and out of control in any type of threatening or aggresive way it would get a boot, if you were to make something of that then so be it, as far as I'm concerned if you're not concerned about your dog being out of control then I will show the same lack of concern when I deal with you.... If your dog has run off and is bothering someone else then you need to take the consequences, I have walked for 3 miles out of ten with someone elses yapping mutt sniffing my labs **** and I take great delight in saying to the owner "I'm here to walk my dogs, not yours" Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Sorry but the guy has right to defend his dog if it's being attacked and if that involves giving an out of control dog a boot then fair play, if you tried to do the same to the owner you'd be arrested and probably lose your cert. Assuming he didn't knock seven shades out of you, which he'd have every right to do to defend himself from your attack. If it was my dogs being attacked, the attacking dog would definitely deserve and get a right boot or two if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamp79 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wasnt going to post on this thread, because this subject makes my ******* blood boil! Our lab is absolutely soft as muck and the same thing has happened twice. He has been with me and been off the lead but to heel. He minds his own business and even when other dogs come to him, he tends to ignore them. The last time a collie x comes over and starts having a go, he looks at me and just ignores it. Then the collie has a couple of nips at him and he retaliates. I stepped in and the ******* thing went for me, THATS IT! Size 10 here it comes. The ******* ****** of an owner comes running over and starts on, we had the usual conversation.... bla bla bla..... Ended with me telling him to **** off! He could not understand that it was his dog that was out of control... etc. Why do these people do it? Why have a dog that you can't keep under control and let it off the ******* lead???!!!! Are they that stupid? Don't they realise they **** everyone else off? Sorry but this absolutely infuriates me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 One of the owners threatened to call the police until I told him I was the police Thats got to be one of the biggest perks of being a policeman/woman. Just a classic line. I have to admit that on occasion mine will make a beeline for another dog because he wants to play. When he does it he doesn't listen to voice or whistle. Its bad of him and i hate it (am embassessed) when he does it because if i was the other owner i guess i wouldn't be too impressed. I do always make an effort to get there as soon as i can (run) Don't think i would too impressed if someone kicked him but i guess it might stop him doing it again. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Thats got to be one of the biggest perks of being a policeman/woman. Just a classic line. I have to admit that on occasion mine will make a beeline for another dog because he wants to play. When he does it he doesn't listen to voice or whistle. Its bad of him and i hate it (am embassessed) when he does it because if i was the other owner i guess i wouldn't be too impressed. I do always make an effort to get there as soon as i can (run) Don't think i would too impressed if someone kicked him but i guess it might stop him doing it again. Dan I would never kick a dog for playing, but if it was aggressive then I wouldn't think twice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I don't let anyones dog near mine unless I know them. Even if it is only coming to play it will get a soft kick and owner told to get it under control if it comes back for more then it feels the full force of my boot. I don't know if its an aggressive dog or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamp79 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hi reddan, there are those times when a dog wont come back to voice or whistle (We've all had that) but as you said your dog wants to play. Its completely differet when the dog comes over looking for trouble and gets aggressive. If i had any thought my dog would attack another dog i would never let him off the lead when there are others about! But some idiots just don't seem to care, or are that stupid they don't realise one day there dog is gunna pick a fight it won't win and get really hurt and thats where noone wants it to end up! Liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I have to admit that on occasion mine will make a beeline for another dog because he wants to play... Don't think i would too impressed if someone kicked him but i guess it might stop him doing it again. It's one thing for a dog to run over and want to play, it's another thing altogether for one to come over and start tearing chunks out of one my dogs. My big lad never starts a fight, but he will retaliate. He gave a Vizsla a bit of a pasting a few weeks ago after it had run over to our lab, tried to mount her, and been told off by her. My lad then wandered over to investigate only to have the Viszla launch into him. Apparently this was my dogs fault. I suggested that it may have been the out of control Viszla but apparently not. I would have worried a bit more but I suspect it may be a while before it targets my dogs again. Edited June 30, 2011 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hi reddan, there are those times when a dog wont come back to voice or whistle (We've all had that) but as you said your dog wants to play. Its completely differet when the dog comes over looking for trouble and gets aggressive. If i had any thought my dog would attack another dog i would never let him off the lead when there are others about! But some idiots just don't seem to care, or are that stupid they don't realise one day there dog is gunna pick a fight it won't win and get really hurt and thats where noone wants it to end up! Liam I understand it from both sides really. mine only travels at one speed and that it like a bullet so i think it could be quite intimidating. He does only want to play but thats not really the point i guess. As the 'receiving' owner i would alway wait and see what happens when they get there. You acknowledge rightly that sometimes dogs do ignore the owner and i think there is a difference between those that make an effort and say sorry those that don't bother. Anyone who is under the false impression that with their dog off the lead they are in complete control and there will never be a situation where the dog ignores them will eventually find out the hard way and i hope those that are the extreem kick first ask question later type face the same treatment. Can't really understand those that won't let another dog near theres under any circumstance. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I understand it from both sides really. mine only travels at one speed and that it like a bullet so i think it could be quite intimidating. He does only want to play but thats not really the point i guess. As the 'receiving' owner i would alway wait and see what happens when they get there. You acknowledge rightly that sometimes dogs do ignore the owner and i think there is a difference between those that make an effort and say sorry those that don't bother. Anyone who is under the false impression that with their dog off the lead they are in complete control and there will never be a situation where the dog ignores them will eventually find out the hard way and i hope those that are the extreem kick first ask question later type face the same treatment. Can't really understand those that won't let another dog near theres under any circumstance. Dan I agree with you on most points in the above post, but the issue of the dog being under complete control is a little skewed. I don't think absolute control is necessary. I'll be honest and say that I can't stop either of my two from sniffing at another dog, but they do approach sensibly and will come to heel on command. I think that's adequate and it's been trained into them. I rarely use a lead with mine, and I wouldn't dream of keeping them away from other dogs, socialising them regularly is IMO of paramount importance and makes for more balanced dogs anyway. I've never had anyone lash out at my dogs for approaching theirs, I have had a couple where people have said "get them away, mines not very tolerant" in which case I'll recall them and usually comment that if that's the case then the dog should probably be muzzled. If it does kick off I'll be the first one in there pulling my dogs away, but with balanced dogs, it doesn't kick off ... until you allow an unbalanced dog into the equation. You can normally see them, they're the ones running amok while the owners chase around behind all the while calling the dogs name, completely ineffectualy! Nearly always, as with most things canine, if theres a problem dog it's normally the owners fault, often through inadequate training. Edited June 30, 2011 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I agree with you on most points in the above post, but the issue of the dog being under complete control is a little skewed. I don't think absolute control is necessary. I'll be honest and say that I can't stop either of my two from sniffing at another dog, but they do approach sensibly and will come to heel on command. I think that's adequate and it's been trained into them. I rarely use a lead with mine, and I wouldn't dream of keeping them away from other dogs, socialising them regularly is IMO of paramount importance and makes for more balanced dogs anyway. I've never had anyone lash out at my dogs for approaching theirs, I have had a couple where people have said "get them away, mines not very tolerant" in which case I'll recall them and usually comment that if that's the case then the dog should probably be muzzled. If it does kick off I'll be the first one in there pulling my dogs away, but with balanced dogs, it doesn't kick off ... until you allow an unbalanced dog into the equation. You can normally see them, they're the ones running amok while the owners chase around behind all the while calling the dogs name, completely ineffectualy! Nearly always, as with most things canine, if theres a problem dog it's normally the owners fault, often through inadequate training. Completely agree, good post. my comments were more aimed at the post below. I don't let anyones dog near mine unless I know them. Even if it is only coming to play it will get a soft kick and owner told to get it under control if it comes back for more then it feels the full force of my boot. I don't know if its an aggressive dog or not Dan Edited June 30, 2011 by reddan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted June 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hi Thanks for your replies and opinions,Its sometimes hard to get away from these unleashed dogs and its spoiling a nice walk, don,t get me wrong but my dog loves other dogs and do the ritual sniffing and tail waggy thing but this is the first time he's reacted like this.It all happened too fast but he dropped the other dog when i shouted "no". I'll just have to mind out for small yappy rat like dogs in future. Thanks again Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I'll just have to mind out for small yappy rat like dogs in future. Thanks again Vulture I like to think mine could eat one in one mouthfull if it got too yappy and snappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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