Ackley Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 just been reading in the shooting press that when the goverment allow cotrolled badger culling in 2012 people will have to have level 1 DMQ and also have to go on a course to be shown the humane way to shoot a badger now my thoughts are who will run this course and what makes them quailifed to teach others how to shoot a badger corrctly surely if you have level 1 which is also trained hunter status ( I use that term loosly)you are more than capable of putting a bullet into the chest of head of a badger,as let face it there never very far away so is this just another making scam for certain shooting organizations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 nope its backside covering by all involved. Because of the publicity and public feeling its all to ensure its justifiable to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Every Badger I see round here, runs like heck at the smallest amount of lamp light or noise of vehicle. They are going to be very challenging to shoot - not that I will need to anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 nope its backside covering by all involved. Because of the publicity and public feeling its all to ensure its justifiable to the public. I can see that anything to keep the tre huggers happy,but seeing no one shoot badgers how do the people who are suspopsed to give training know how to do it themself and also what qualifies them to teach ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 a knowledge of badger anatomy is one possibility, another is they are reasonably old and did it last time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) I dont know... is the answer. But at least its going about it the right way. Badgers are incredibly tough and resilient animals and more than a match for your average Dog. It takes a well placed shot to kill them quickly and humanely. I think the move to ensure the people culling the badgers are seen to be "qualified " is more to appease the non shooting public rather than a money making scam for shooting organisations, and Ive seen hard evidence of badgers being shot several times with inappropriate rounds (and shotgun loads) which they have carried around with them for many months before dying. If its going to be done its going to be done properly. Edited September 16, 2011 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Every Badger I see round here, runs like heck at the smallest amount of lamp light or noise of vehicle. They are going to be very challenging to shoot - not that I will need to anyway. I think a cull should be instigated by wholescale gassing of sets in worst affected BTB areas....shooting of badgers will have absolutely no effect on badger populations what so ever. More get Killed on the roads currently then will probably be shot...( Ive seen 7 on the 8 mile road to work this week !) and as soon as the set is reduced...more move in from other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I think a cull should be instigated by wholescale gassing of sets in worst affected BTB areas....shooting of badgers will have absolutely no effect on badger populations what so ever. More get Killed on the roads currently then will probably be shot...( Ive seen 7 on the 8 mile road to work this week !) and as soon as the set is reduced...more move in from other areas. Gassing is the answer just no one has the balls to actually suggest it and get it done. Shooting with a deer legal caliber with a varmint type bullet will be humane with plenty of room for error but you will have a serious amount of trouble clearing an area of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I agree gassing is the best way to get rid of the entire set,but shooting them to thin them out is a good method providing a suitable caliber is used.lets face it I dont think anyone wants to get rid of them all. a varmint type bullet wouldnt be the best option as they can blow up on the skin as there skin is quite tough,a bonded type bullet would be the better option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 thinning them out is no good total removal from the area is needed or as close to it as possible to have the desired result. The theory is if badgers there are passing TB to the cattle then to break it you kill the local badgers leaving some just means the whole thing won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I agree gassing is the best way to get rid of the entire set,but shooting them to thin them out is a good method providing a suitable caliber is used.lets face it I dont think anyone wants to get rid of them all. a varmint type bullet wouldnt be the best option as they can blow up on the skin as there skin is quite tough,a bonded type bullet would be the better option I think you would be suprised how many Dairy Farmers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Shooting will reduce numbers IF suitable buffer zones exist or IF it is country wide. I remeber the Badger act comming in, previously Badjers were not endangered just a heck of a sight less common today. That was about three decades ago, what the heck have Badgers been doing in that time but making more Badgers! I shoot and control vermin on a place which is a special conservation sight for breeding ground nesting birds, Badgers have just moved in big time and there isn't a darn thing i can do about it. They look at the lamp unabashed having never been hunted. Its very hard to say what bullet and what placement is best because quite simply very few of us have ever shot them. I was involved in moving them Legally with the Terrier clubs years ago and i can say they are way tougher critters than a fox both phyically and mentally, terriers that were used to killing foxes underground learned that the hard way. A hold that would kill a fox just made them angry. As for how it would be done with rifles its a bit of an easy one as unlike foxes they stay at the set and emerge after dusk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I will be more than a little surprised if this so called cull ever takes place. The trials they are planning, if they ever take place, will show that it is impossible to achieve the required kill % and the whole thing will end in a farce. Gassing is the only viable way forward and that's not going to happen. But to answer Ackley, it's total nonsense. It's just as easy to kill a badger as it is to kill a fox, quite why anyone would need training quite baffles me. They drop down dead just like a fox when shot with a small c/f. However, to sell the cull to the wider population "qualified marksman" and DSC rolls nicely off the tongue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I will be more than a little surprised if this so called cull ever takes place. The trials they are planning, if they ever take place, will show that it is impossible to achieve the required kill % and the whole thing will end in a farce. Gassing is the only viable way forward and that's not going to happen. But to answer Ackley, it's total nonsense. It's just as easy to kill a badger as it is to kill a fox, quite why anyone would need training quite baffles me. They drop down dead just like a fox when shot with a small c/f. However, to sell the cull to the wider population "qualified marksman" and DSC rolls nicely off the tongue. my thought exactly Ive seen them killed with a 22 rimfire,whats a "qualified marksman" someone who can hit a 4 inch target at 100 yards,what a joke,theres people running around with level 1 whos never shot a deer never mind a badger,but the bit of toilet paper they get states there more than suitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 According to "Countryfile" last Sunday experts are predicting a 16% decrease in TB if 70% of the badger population is culled.I,for one,wont be shooting Brock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I live in a TB hotspot, one of the reasons why I worked for the outfit that resides in Fisherman Mike's neck of the woods. On a day to day basis I was running the Badger Carcass Survey in the three SW counties. Both Mike and Charlie T make some valid points but it's al4x who's holed in one with "anatomy". If anyone thinks badgers are immune to fast moving chunks of lead and consequently are deemed tough animals and hard to kill as folklore would have us believe, it's because when shooting was legal it was done as it would be for fox or deer and resulted in wounded brock trotting off to a lingering and painful death. If you shoot deer/fox, have a look at a side on picture of a badger and mark the spot where you think you'd place a bullet to kill. Then find an anatomical version of the same view. You're in for a surprise - the clue is the dip in the spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I live in a TB hotspot, one of the reasons why I worked for the outfit that resides in Fisherman Mike's neck of the woods. On a day to day basis I was running the Badger Carcass Survey in the three SW counties. Both Mike and Charlie T make some valid points but it's al4x who's holed in one with "anatomy". If anyone thinks badgers are immune to fast moving chunks of lead and consequently are deemed tough animals and hard to kill as folklore would have us believe, it's because when shooting was legal it was done as it would be for fox or deer and resulted in wounded brock trotting off to a lingering and painful death. If you shoot deer/fox, have a look at a side on picture of a badger and mark the spot where you think you'd place a bullet to kill. Then find an anatomical version of the same view. You're in for a surprise - the clue is the dip in the spine. hit them in the middle with a large caliber,they aint going to get up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 hit them in the middle with a large caliber,they aint going to get up Well, you're going to be surprised at the minimum legal ME for the job! As we're talking flesh and bone and not paper it's probably academic anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I live in a TB hotspot, one of the reasons why I worked for the outfit that resides in Fisherman Mike's neck of the woods. On a day to day basis I was running the Badger Carcass Survey in the three SW counties. Both Mike and Charlie T make some valid points but it's al4x who's holed in one with "anatomy". If anyone thinks badgers are immune to fast moving chunks of lead and consequently are deemed tough animals and hard to kill as folklore would have us believe, it's because when shooting was legal it was done as it would be for fox or deer and resulted in wounded brock trotting off to a lingering and painful death. If you shoot deer/fox, have a look at a side on picture of a badger and mark the spot where you think you'd place a bullet to kill. Then find an anatomical version of the same view. You're in for a surprise - the clue is the dip in the spine. Just infront of the lug hole? right? is there a prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Just infront of the lug hole? right? is there a prize? Oops, sorry, that's my fault! I was referring to a body shot but patently failed to say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 It was proposed that min 22cal CF also shot gun at close range (who decides what close range is, is a mystery, i say stick to CF) It was also proposed that it will be run by a management ie farmers will manage the area,whatever the area to be decided on, who ever falls within that area will be the managers. I think the government will also whant it run as a business,in perticular the costs,well they will need to tax the company wont they. If they are not happy its being done correctly they will put there own managment in at a cost to the farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 According to "Countryfile" last Sunday experts are predicting a 16% decrease in TB if 70% of the badger population is culled.I,for one,wont be shooting Brock. You may think differently if it was your herd and livelihood at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Well, you're going to be surprised at the minimum legal ME for the job! As we're talking flesh and bone and not paper it's probably academic anyway. Having shot my fair share I can honestly say that I have never found them difficult to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Every Badger I see round here, runs like heck at the smallest amount of lamp light or noise of vehicle. They are going to be very challenging to shoot - not that I will need to anyway. garyb on one of my shoots you can squeak them to within 5-10 feet of you while out lamping have squeaked them to see how close they will come had one come so close put the ***** up me thought it was going to get so close i was going to give it a kick up the backside to get it to go colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 we see plenty on the lamp and realy they are not a hard target at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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