RECYLING

[SNAKEBITE]

I have been doing a fair bit of looking into the recycling of waste recently. This was prompted by the fact that all the waste that is collected locally is put on a ship and sent to China. Oh and we pay for it as well

 

All these cheap goods that you can buy now e.g. the £4 jeans from Tescos, the £5 sandwich toasters and all the other cheap consumer goods seem to be a god send don't they? However they are costing us dear in the long run. The fact that we are paying £1 a litre for petrol has to do with the fact that the Chinese are buying all the oil to fuel the factories that churn out these cheap goods. They are sent over on the transport ships and rather than send them back empty we are filling them with our rubbish and sending them back. It is too expensive to recycle it over here. All they are doing is turning it into cheap consumer goods (where possible) and selling them to us. What is left is just put into hole in the ground.

 

I am all for cheap goods but we seem to be cutting our own throats by buying Chinese goods because it is killing off what is left of out manufacturing industry.

 

When will people realise this?

 

Sod the recycling now I am bining the lot. However it still grates that my Council tax is being spent on sending rubbish to China

[mag-man]

SB.......every thing is going east, every night I get some little ***** who can't speak a word of english trying to sell me summin..........all the employment agents are full of eastern europeans, you would think you are in their embassies.........they doing all our jobs, but at £5 an hour......even Abu reels who were made in Sweden, on side now says assembled in Sweden, but parts made cheaply in Malaysia. Golf clubs, everything you can think of........

 

I blame labour

[mossy835]

labour has a lot to answer two,i put all my rubbish in one bag and dump it.

[MC]

I refuse to recycle anyway as our local council are a bunch of jobsworths. You cannot recycle cardboard if it still has packing tape on it, bottles must have the labels removed, cans should be washed out and sharp edges removed.

 

What a load of garbage, literally.

 

And we are paying more for the privelige of doing their work for them. Yet when I take some hardcore to my local recycling centre (posh word for tip) they tell me I can only dump 25Kg a day. This means to dump a tonne of hardcare I need to go there for 40 days.

 

I am all for cheaper goods and don't really care where they come from. If someone can make a pair of jeans ship them to england and sell them to me for £3 then who is in the wrong?

 

The greedy fat cat captains of industry that this country still has, that's who.

 

It is a pity that Margaret Tahtcher didn't finish her work at union busting. Maybe Rover would still be here.

 

Rant over

 

Martin

[JohnGalway]

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Edited September 3, 2009 by JohnGalway

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

I worked for a company that had a factory over here, and wanted to build a blueprint factory in China about 10 years ago.

 

The factory was built, and then the local province governor (or whoever) became involved.

 

The conversation went like "How many workers is this factory designed for?".

 

'150'

 

"OK, employ 800".

 

The philosophy was that it was better employing 800 (with 400 sat on their ar...es) than to have them unemployed causing mayhem and plotting against the communist government.

 

Perhaps they have it right. No of course they don't.

 

But at least they don't have people on benefits saying that they don't want to work coz if they do they get less than on benefits - and guess who pays for the benefits - you and me.

 

Never a simple subject, but it makes you think

 

Don

[flytie]

Our lovely government has just changed the rules for disposing of tallow! Most big slaughterhouses had a rendering plant as well. It allowed them to incinerate carcasses, and guess what they used as fuel, yes you've got it, tallow. Which is of course a by product of the rendering process itself. Tallow has now become a waste product and must be got rid of safely (not burned) by specialists in hazardous waste disposal! And guess what they have to run rendering plants on now, deisel!!!!!!!!!!! The price per carcass on a beast has just gone up from £145 / per animal to £155/ per animal at one stroke of mr B. Liars pen.

I do recyle, I have a composter and I put the glass in those containers provided by the council and our shredded paper goes in the rabbit hutch, then composter. The government encourage us to recycle and then forget all about it themselves

 

Ft

[Wookie]

Yes, but a government like Labour (or the Tories) is never going to cut benefits to force people back to work because

1) There are sod-all jobs for them to take up and

2) they rely on bribing people like that to get into power in the areas that they live in.

 

Rememeber that a society needs all sorts to function. Ours does, just not very well right now. And, before you say anything, no I do not know how to fix it short of taking out a lot of people and taking over the world as a fatherly dictator.

 

Wookie

Edited May 9, 2006 by Wookie

[mag-man]

Drive past a job centre, and see the louts out there drinking that white lightning at 9:30 in the morning......guess who paid for that drink.........you and me, whose round is next

[Pedro]

We nicked a bloke from France the other night who was driving with no insurance and no driving licence. He didn't work and had no intention of working. I asked him why he didn't stay in France and he replied. "It's easier not to work in this country."

We're going to the dogs

 

P.

[Ferret Master]

I recycle.

[HAMMY]

Snakebite,

I feel your comments are a little harsh, whilst the Chinese are not perfect, they do a lot things right, if you ever visit China, you would never get the oppertunity to bin a plastic or glass bottle, someone shall be waiting to take it from you for recycling, the same goes for cardboard, all demolition is removed brick by brick and re-used, All is reused the reason for this is the Chinese economy is one of the strongest in the world, and there is a shortage of raw materials, so all the manufacturing costs are reduced due to recycling etc and also reduced labour costs. The unions ruined a lot of British manufacturing and Industry. Now the Chinese economy is having a direct affect on other industries. i.e. Coal, 10 years ago China exported 50% of their Coal today they IMPORT 50% of there coal requirement, now driving prices up and making British deep mines possibly viable to re-open. Oh by the way the cost of fuel at the pumps in china is about 35p/ltr.

 

The Chinese Nation want one thing, they all want to work!!!! To a man, their culture has engrained that in to their mentality, work hard and your nation shall flourish.

 

Unlike a lot of Brits!! Is Britain flourishing? I think not.

 

This could be debated for hours.

 

 

Maybe a little more research is required b4 you comment.

 

Hammy

[MC]

Well said Hammy,

 

When I was visiting a friend in the states a couple of years ago we went to a local supermarket to get some supplies, in the entrance were great big bins for recycling and for every bottle or can you returned you were creditted a few cents on your loyalty card, this could then be knocked off your shopping. This then encourages people to recycle.

 

Our office used to recycle waste paper until the company who collected it wanted to charge £50 a time. Now it gets skipped.

 

If britain was to take notice of what is happening in the rest of the world we may, one day be GREAT Britain again.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[SNAKEBITE]

Maybe a little more research is required b4 you comment.

 

My problem was / is not aimed at the Chinese, all the comments you made were concerned with areas I did not look at because they were irrelevant to my initial post. I researced what was relevant

[Dunkield]

We recycle, even though the system isn't perfect we have a black and green wheelie provided by the council.

Since doing this they only collect the black (normal) rubbish every 2 weeks and it is never full up, we used to fill it every week, so it just goes to show how much re-cyclable stuff goes to land fill. I feel sick every time I see a huge piece of countryside covered in gulls with trucks dumping or waste all over it - we all need to do our bit

[SNAKEBITE]

I feel sick every time I see a huge piece of countryside covered in gulls with trucks dumping or waste all over it - we all need to do our bit

 

I WANT to recycle and I want it to be a benefit but it is not working. It is a token gesture. So much waste is produced that could be recycled but isn't because of the cost involved. It is simpler to ship the waste abraod and let them deal with it.

By all accounts there was a program on sky a while back that showed barges full of our waste just being dumped on Indonesian beaches because we didn't want it dumped in our country. It has to go somewhere and as long it is not in our back yards some people do not care where it goes!

 

If the bloody government got it togther it could turn the manufacturing industry around. But it won't because it will cost too much to do it.

[iamspartacus]

I gotta disagree with a lot of people who have posted at least with some of things that have been said. I agree, it doesn't seem fair that our pollution gets dumped on another society if that society objects to it being there. Of course there is the question of whether these asian countries do object, seeing as they are being paid in some way (either incorporated into the price of exported goods or cash up front) to accept the waste. But with respect to the struggling manufacturing environment in this country, people have got to understand the tradeoff

 

IF YOU WANT CHEAP GOODS YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM FROM ABROAD!!

 

Manufacturing sectors in all high wage European countries have been in steady decline ever since trade barriers have been eroded between us and low wage asian countries. Is that a bad thing? Of course it isn't, what it means is that some people will have reskill and it will be painful, but if the process of reskilling had not been undertaken at some point, we would all still be using the same manufacturing processes of 120 years ago. What it also means is that the poverty stricken nations of asia increase income per head. This to me sounds like a good thing (though not everyone would agree).

 

There is no room for being sentimental about these things, because they are inevitable. The process can be artificially drawn out (as it has been done in Germany, and more particularly France) but this is alot more painful.

 

And whoever says that benefits here are greater than in France or most of Europe is talking complete **********. Go and live over there pal, or sweden perhaps where taxes are 15% higher again.

 

This is something I feel people should think more about before trotting out the usual, but ignorant stance that governments have successively ruined the economy.

 

IAS

[Cranfield]

We recycle, even though the system isn't perfect we have a black and green wheelie provided by the council.

Since doing this they only collect the black (normal) rubbish every 2 weeks and it is never full up, we used to fill it every week, so it just goes to show how much re-cyclable stuff goes to land fill. I feel sick every time I see a huge piece of countryside covered in gulls with trucks dumping or waste all over it - we all need to do our bit

 

This is exactly our experience, we also have a black box for tin and plastic and a blue bag for paper and cardboard.

 

I don't think the existing recycling efforts are perfect, but they are better than nothing.

 

The "rubbish" exported to various Far Eastern Countries is mostly broken/obsolete electrical goods (which they salvage parts from), its not the contents of our dustbins.

 

The "cheap goods from abroad" argument is totally different and has been around for ages.

The cheapness was always linked with poor quality, but this is no longer the case.

[dazza]

doesn't the UK take in a lot of rubbish from other countries? Can usally be found queing in Benefit offices

[MC]

And whoever says that benefits here are greater than in France or most of Europe is talking complete **********.

 

I think you have missed the point. By benefits we mean handouts to imigrants. That's where England is a soft touch, If the benefit system for asylum seekers was better in france the imigrants wouldn't risk their lives trying to croos the channel.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[iamspartacus]

And whoever says that benefits here are greater than in France or most of Europe is talking complete **********.

 

I think you have missed the point. By benefits we mean handouts to imigrants. That's where England is a soft touch, If the benefit system for asylum seekers was better in france the imigrants wouldn't risk their lives trying to croos the channel.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

 

Not all immigrants are vagrants who do nothing except leach off the system. True, the media portray this to be the case, however, most do an incredibly important job in supplying unskilled labour for the many jobs that no-one else wants to do. Fact of the matter is that Britain has the flexible labour laws to ensure employment is high, this is what is attractive to prospective immigrants - they can get jobs!!. The ones who leach off the system are home grown!!

 

Far too much pessimism about the British economy, yes B. Liar has made a mess of the countryside and Brown has played his part in re-regulating some industries, but at the end of the day we are no where near that creek that the rest of Europe find themselves in.