chris o Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Hi guys just wandering what gram and shot size do most of you guys use? As need some but what wieght and shot size do you guys use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 I have been using No1 32Gms in steel but just got some Tungstens No3 36grms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 42gram 4s lead and 36gram 4s in steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 I've got a good mixture of cartridges to use against geese. I've got factory loaded 1 1/2 oz BB/1/3 in steel. I've got some 1 3/4 oz hevishot in size 2. I also have 2oz tungsten in 1's. I've started reloading my own 1 1/2 oz steel loads in BB and T. These are all 3 1/2" loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris o Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Ok. What sought of range am I looking at with 42grm 4 or 36 5s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Ok. What sought of range am I looking at with 42grm 4 or 36 5s? That shot size is a bit to small for geese in steel buddy you want 1s bbs etc and no more than 45 yards roughly if using tungsten/Hevi shot etc you can get away with slightly amaller shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I use 46g bismuth no.3's now. Expensive though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I use 46g bismuth no.3's now. Expensive though! How is bismuth these days? have had to resort to hand loading some for a old gun in bbs. rgds bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I used eley bismuth 46g BB last season..they worked well for me. Killed plenty of geese with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I use gambore super steel magnum' 76mm 36g 1's.worked good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 How is bismuth these days? have had to resort to hand loading some for a old gun in bbs. rgds bob. Seems to do the job very well. As expensive as it is, it's still cheaper than a high performance steel proofed shotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Seems to do the job very well. As expensive as it is, it's still cheaper than a high performance steel proofed shotty hope it does! just seems very brittle, anybody watched the chris green volume 2? he reckons he shot those canadas with bismuth 5s in volume 1 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 3 1/2" 12g homeloaded steel No 2 shot 42g CSB 0 or Alliant Steel - you would NEVER go back to lead loads after using these- Fantastic results over the last 2 years flighting geese - not decoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenntay Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 How is bismuth these days? have had to resort to hand loading some for a old gun in bbs. rgds bob. it can,t any worse than the early 3" 42 grm loads they used fragment on impact total **** imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfoxbuster Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I use gambore super steel magnum' 76mm 36g 1's.worked good so far. How much do you pay for them mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I am in Motty's camp on this one. Geese are tough and unless you want to feather a bunch of birds you better have some large shot in the chamber. I pass shoot mostly with 1 1/2 oz. of steel BBB or T's going around 1400 fps. out of a 10 ga. Probably one could employ BBs or 1s over decoys with T's as your backup shot. As important as shot size is choke constriction.If you have screw in tubes you will most likely find that large shot will pattern best out of a .015--.020 constriction, each gun is different. In my gun .020 does really well with T's any tighter and it gets ugly. It is amazing what a change of .005 in choke will do with steel shot. If you have fixed chokes modified is probably your best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) no matter what anyone says you must do a penatration test at 40 and 50 yards into a 6 or 8mm board so you can understand what you are pointing at a goose, once you have you will endorse when folk say nothing less than BB (4mm) in steel shot over deeks, pref T Shot (4.7mm) i use 5mm on the marsh in my 10 and 12 both are3 1/2 chamber , all on open choke as steel tends to blow out with any choke, you will hear lots of theory but take the time to test so you can really understand is a very wise move....... we had a lot of pricked Geese on marshes last season from nobs who undergun and shoot high birds...... they can talk all day about the fine points of fowling but cant even select the right carts for the job, if you shoot 3 inch carts its wise to use Biz or heavy shot if you shoot 3 1/2 you can shoot big steel.......... 32 grms of number 3's steel is a duck load but our local shop sells lots to folk going out on geese Edited September 26, 2011 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 32 grms of number 3's steel is a duck load but our local shop sells lots to folk going out on geese +1 ultimately, its the end user who makes the decision to buy carts. influencing him is often gunshops that have no clue about steel shot. they just want to shift shells, the more the better. steel 3s are a great duck load. ive heard people using steel 7.5s too. just because they can go fowling on £3 box of shell to last all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I tend to use either Tungsten 42Gm 1's or Gamebore Super Steel 36g 1's for medium geese. I use either standard steel 32g 4's or high performance 32g 5's for duck at medium ranges. For Teal on a flight pond i use 24g 7.5's, and i guarantee you that you will not notice the difference at the range flighted teal is shot at; runners are quite rare because you have a good pattern. I also have some buismuth and tungsten duck loads to use in extreme conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I am on 3 1/2" Remington 1 3/8oz sportsman Steel #2 and 3" Remington Nitro BBB (78 bits of shot) steel for Geese. Widgeon + Teal on the edge of the green I have 34g of #4 shot. That dont mean I have been taking higher Mallard with 34g, although I have taken some good birds with it, I would recommend and use the 3" for higher Mallard on the foreshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I am on 3 1/2" Remington 1 3/8oz sportsman Steel #2 and 3" Remington Nitro BBB (78 bits of shot) steel for Geese. Widgeon + Teal on the edge of the green I have 34g of #4 shot. That dont mean I have been taking higher Mallard with 34g, although I have taken some good birds with it, I would recommend and use the 3" for higher Mallard on the foreshore. I think you rightly meant to say its the shot size in the cart that matters not the size of the cart or weight of the load of shot. so if you have a 3 1/2 cart it will take more bigger size pellets but due to space between them the load is not as heavy as a cart full of smaller pellets but they will have more power at distance than a mass of small pellets which fall of very quick. the rule of thumb for steel is a loss of 9 yards effective range from your tested datum for each reduction of 0.5mm in size (or if you like a 9 yard extension of range for each 0.5mm increase)as tested by IC at clay game So lets say 30 yards is your tested range on duck for a 3mm steel pellet, go up to 4mm (BB) and its 48 yards and 5mm will be about 75 yards. I have done extensive pattern and penetration testing for my home loads and have found a 5mm pellet will go right through a 6mm board at 50 yards whilst 3mm just bounce off and hardly make a mark. So as far as steel is concerned for fowling pellet size is crucial not pellet count or load weight. As I have often said when shooting at Geese throw a few bricks not lots of ping pong balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I think you rightly meant to say its the shot size in the cart that matters not the size of the cart or weight of the load of shot. so if you have a 3 1/2 cart it will take more bigger size pellets but due to space between them the load is not as heavy as a cart full of smaller pellets but they will have more power at distance than a mass of small pellets which fall of very quick. the rule of thumb for steel is a loss of 9 yards effective range from your tested datum for each reduction of 0.5mm in size (or if you like a 9 yard extension of range for each 0.5mm increase)as tested by IC at clay game So lets say 30 yards is your tested range on duck for a 3mm steel pellet, go up to 4mm (BB) and its 48 yards and 5mm will be about 75 yards. I have done extensive pattern and penetration testing for my home loads and have found a 5mm pellet will go right through a 6mm board at 50 yards whilst 3mm just bounce off and hardly make a mark. So as far as steel is concerned for fowling pellet size is crucial not pellet count or load weight. As I have often said when shooting at Geese throw a few bricks not lots of ping pong balls Agree totally about shot size, I have looked into what they do 'across the pond' as they have been using steel for many years. I dont always agree with some of their theories but by and large they reiterate what you are saying. If I.C. from clay game (actually he has now sold up and retired) come up with formulas etc he was spot on. He was pretty much what I would call the bible of home loading. It also helped me as he only lived 15 miles from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowlingmad Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Some people will disagre with me here but i use 4shot for geese rather than use big pellets in a gappy pattern i go for a tight pattern with 34g of 4's and try to get a pellet up front (head and neck) but this only works if you put it in the right place! which is easier said than done as you probably know! at the minuet i have some gamebore mamouth steel (3in)which have patterned well and i have got a few good ducks with them but i have yet to have a shot at the geese this season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Yeah, I disagree, test your pattern first, steel is tight as a ducks rear end........watertight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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