Pole Star Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 The Wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please . We have it in trust . We must account for it to those who come after . King George VI How many pw users believe in this ?? after a recent post on here I think sadly some dont even know what it means ! or dont care ? so come on chaps hands up for all those who care about our shooting & our country side ?. I go out of my way to teach some the young shooters coming on in my neck of the woods things like restraint & bag sizes & when they should be self imposed & why they should do their best to recover any wounded game ect & the bad activities of some of the U KNOW WHO visiting guns . Not mention the bad press they give us wich will only make make things more difficult for us all . If we cant put our own house in order what then ? just imagine if the next time election time comes around if we get some one like the so called "Lord" Prescot as PM ! God forbid !. But lets see what the shooting publications make of this in the next few weeks ! & I hope the BASC can say a few things regarding the good work of the RSPB in their recent catch & give a word of thanks to those shooters who tip them off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Hope you're feeling better now. Come on, tell us; was it the dentist's or the doctor's waiting room where you tripped over a 35 year old copy of Shooting Times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) Hope you're feeling better now. Come on, tell us; was it the dentist's or the doctor's waiting room where you tripped over a 35 year old copy of Shooting Times? Wad ya mean wymberlery ! I all ways feel like this ! & I feel great because my recent posts brought attention to some thing that was in desperate need of it ! . I dont think the moderators liked it ! & Cranfiled took the knife to it ! ( mabe they are Italian ) I'm only kidding moderators !. I dont have time today to say a lot as I have some PROPER WILD FOLWERS / GOOSE HUNTERS coming up to shoot with me for a week not the greedy guns wich I wont entertain !. One of these chaps uses antique muzzel loaders & if he gets a few geese on his trip up then he is happy & I also have a saying Wyberlery wich is relevant to King Gorge's saying & mine is this " IF YOUR NOT A SHOOTER CONSERVATIONIST THEN YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS SHOOTING WILD GAME" Stick too shooting clays instead !. PS was it 35years since you read the Shooing Times ! mate ? you been missing out ! or have you been in prison ! Good Luck Pole Star Edited October 30, 2011 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Hope you're feeling better now. Come on, tell us; was it the dentist's or the doctor's waiting room where you tripped over a 35 year old copy of Shooting Times? I thought exactly the same before i opened the thread,and lo and behold,its the one from the ST. As for answering,its a quote that should be adhered to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 The Wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please . We have it in trust . We must account for it to those who come after . King George VI How many pw users believe in this ?? after a recent post on here I think sadly some dont even know what it means ! or dont care ? so come on chaps hands up for all those who care about our shooting & our country side ?. I go out of my way to teach some the young shooters coming on in my neck of the woods things like restraint & bag sizes & when they should be self imposed & why they should do their best to recover any wounded game ect & the bad activities of some of the U KNOW WHO visiting guns . Not mention the bad press they give us wich will only make make things more difficult for us all . If we cant put our own house in order what then ? just imagine if the next time election time comes around if we get some one like the so called "Lord" Prescot as PM ! God forbid !. But lets see what the shooting publications make of this in the next few weeks ! & I hope the BASC can say a few things regarding the good work of the RSPB in their recent catch & give a word of thanks to those shooters who tip them off ! You brighten up my day every time you post.Is this the same RSPB that lavish praise on the keepers,BASC and all the other shoots/shooters who do great work for wildlife including vermin control that keep predators to a level that helps ground nesting birds?You are Bill Oddie really arent you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Most hunters care much more for their prey and habitat than the ones that try to protect them, in most cases anyway.Look what Sir Peter Scott has done not only for wildfowl but for the world wildlife in general, he once stalked the marshes with notorious scallyway Makenzie Thorpe, it was this early knowledge that became the building blocks for his work. I have a friend who goes off to safari a few times a year and has shot elephant, this and I don't know why it should be any differant to deer really,I have a little trouble with. He believes the animals are cull males that need to be controlled and its the huge corporate bullies of the world that have led to the demise of habitat rather than hunting. I don't know enough about it to really argue a strong case against, it just sits a little uneasy on me mind. One little 20acre wood I have two high seats in is a typical example of wildlife management. The owner has a zero tolerance to munties but I shoot mostly males, unless of course he moans then a few does end up on his table. The colonel hunts ( supposable drag) so wants fox's left, the abundance of the wildlife is incredible, my presents has stopped most ramblers straying off the footpath and dogs disturbing everything on the ground. Apart from the odd report of my 243 all is peaceful and I have spent many hours in the highseats with the children, rifle being replace with camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 You brighten up my day every time you post.Is this the same RSPB that lavish praise on the keepers,BASC and all the other shoots/shooters who do great work for wildlife including vermin control that keep predators to a level that helps ground nesting birds?You are Bill Oddie really arent you? Sadly Sako the answer to that is yes & its not some thing that I am overly happy about I would rather our own major shooting organization be policing our way of life in the field but they are not inerested ! & thats a shame . Bill Oddie ! he's a bloody vegen he wears plastic clothes lives on a diet of cabbage & farts ! & he HATES GUNS ! . Nope I am not a Bill Oddie ! I could tell you a good story about him when a keeper in Norfolk caught him mooching around his release pens but I will save that for another time . Must go for now Sako I have some meat to roast & rest assured Bill Oddie is not coming to dinner ! . Good Luck Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) PPS If I catch Bill Oddie on my farm I will set the bloody dogs on him ! Edited October 30, 2011 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 the Duke of Edinburgh followed in his footsteps, helping create the WWF, introducing sustainable farming methods etc, to the royal estates. So, the royals continue to do a good job, so well done, pat on the back, yet they also believe in huntin', shootin' & fishin' The RSPB, on the other hand, are the White Adders of conservation. Its charter forbids them from meddling in the status of game shooting for example, yet they wish to deprive us all of this as a sport by their lobbying. King Edward VII granted them royal status (see what I did there, bringing it back to royalty) and I somehow doubt he would have bothered if he predicted how they would abuse their charter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) the Duke of Edinburgh followed in his footsteps, helping create the WWF, introducing sustainable farming methods etc, to the royal estates. So, the royals continue to do a good job, so well done, pat on the back, yet they also believe in huntin', shootin' & fishin' The RSPB, on the other hand, are the White Adders of conservation. Its charter forbids them from meddling in the status of game shooting for example, yet they wish to deprive us all of this as a sport by their lobbying. King Edward VII granted them royal status (see what I did there, bringing it back to royalty) and I somehow doubt he would have bothered if he predicted how they would abuse their charter. Thats true Flashman & yes the RSPB is a white adder & whats more they SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE ! their chief up here has told me that he dose not think any wading birds shoud be on the quarry list & I also told him that I do shoot golden plover ! in small numbers that is . Later on I today I will tell you some RSPB horror stories & I would be interested to hear other stories that other PW users know of . Regards Pole Star Edited October 30, 2011 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Dont forget chaps I am sure RSPB spies read this forum from time to time & I hope the Italain wild meat exporter reads em too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Most hunters care much more for their prey and habitat than the ones that try to protect them, in most cases anyway.Look what Sir Peter Scott has done not only for wildfowl but for the world wildlife in general, he once stalked the marshes with notorious scallyway Makenzie Thorpe, it was this early knowledge that became the building blocks for his work. I have a friend who goes off to safari a few times a year and has shot elephant, this and I don't know why it should be any differant to deer really,I have a little trouble with. He believes the animals are cull males that need to be controlled and its the huge corporate bullies of the world that have led to the demise of habitat rather than hunting. I don't know enough about it to really argue a strong case against, it just sits a little uneasy on me mind. One little 20acre wood I have two high seats in is a typical example of wildlife management. The owner has a zero tolerance to munties but I shoot mostly males, unless of course he moans then a few does end up on his table. The colonel hunts ( supposable drag) so wants fox's left, the abundance of the wildlife is incredible, my presents has stopped most ramblers straying off the footpath and dogs disturbing everything on the ground. Apart from the odd report of my 243 all is peaceful and I have spent many hours in the highseats with the children, rifle being replace with camera. All you say there is true redgum trouble is you try to tell the twitches that Sir Peter Scott started out as a man who shot ducks & geese & they look at you like you have 2 heads ! I also understand that he started his collection of wild fowl from lightly pricked birds or at least thats the ones that survived !& you try telling em that !. Good to see you get the children involved in watching what goes on in nature & thats a hell of a lot better than seeing em get square eyed & addicted to the tv. Twenty years or more ago I lived in a pretty village in Oxfordshire & had a shooting permission on a local farm & one day when talking & moaning about the rabbits the farmer said " there always use to be lads about with ferrets to help keep the rabbits down but now they have video games they dont keep ferrets !" I think it must be worse now !. But there is hope for some ! a young lad under my tuition in shooting came out for an ealy morning bit of goose decoying in september before he went off to school & he still had goose blood on his hands when he went into class ! now think what might have happened if that had happened today in say the home counties !, he might get arrested on suspicion of stabbing !, but then that would be politically correct ! ,mad world !. This same young lad made a cartridge magazine in wood work & when his lady teacher asked what it was for she was horrified ! & said it was a bad influence & he was to write on it sox box !(silly cow). So it looks like Tony B liar's political correctness has even spread too Orkney !& when I was a lad of his age in Buckinghanshire the wood work teachers were still men !& when I was 13 or 14 I took my old double barrel side lock too school to make a stock for it !. Shot gun cert ! wos wunna then ! I gave the kid of 12 who lived a few doors down in the village two quid for it ! . Ah ! now they were the days ! Yep we now live in a sad world . Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 A hunter/shooter becomes a sportsman when he actively encourages the conservation of the very animals he hunts. There's no point wiping out a whole covey of Partridges and leaving yourself short of meat the next year, or having a counter productive impact on the population of a certain animal (except vermin). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 A hunter/shooter becomes a sportsman when he actively encourages the conservation of the very animals he hunts. There's no point wiping out a whole covey of Partridges and leaving yourself short of meat the next year, or having a counter productive impact on the population of a certain animal (except vermin). Yes dancake but the trouble is some people dont just dont get it ! & some times I am banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain this to some ! two young lads in my neck of the woods were very pleased with em selves when they shot 17 Hares when out lamping so said "is there any left for you to shoot tomorrow ! " no answer ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yes dancake but the trouble is some people dont just dont get it ! & some times I am banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain this to some ! two young lads in my neck of the woods were very pleased with em selves when they shot 17 Hares when out lamping so said "is there any left for you to shoot tomorrow ! " no answer ! You are right, some people just do not get it. I've even heard it said on here that they will 'shoot anything that moves'. That kind of attitude just plays right into the hands of any antis. On hares; a lot of people just think a hare is just a bigger, leggier rabbit. They aren't though - they generally have smaller litters and rarely get to to numbers that need controlling. A 'cull' like this is hardly necessary and can really knock back the local population. We occasionally get hares on the farm and I get far more pleasure watching them than I would from shooting. If there were more, then I may consider taking the odd one - but that would solely be for the pot rather than control. Rabbits are a different matter entirely :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I firmly believe that shooting and conservation MUST work hand in hand. Unfortunately some shooters (I will add at this point that I believe that it is only a small minority) don't think the same as me. A typical example of this came up when I was given a new permission of around 1500 acres. I just called in on the off chance of getting a bit of crow shooting as I had seen hundreds of crows feeding on one particular patch of the farm, even though I knew that there was another shooter that shot on that farm. When I spoke to the farmer he was reluctant at first, until I convinced him that I was as much a conservationist as I was a shooter. He explained that he had given this other "shooter" (Who I know personally and have always regarded as a bit "trigger happy") and up until then there had always been a good head of deer on his land. He explained that up until then it was unusual for him to go out to check on his sheep each day without coming across a few deer here and there. Unfortunately since giving this "other shooter" permission a couple of years ago there has hardly been a single deer to be seen on the permission - He also added that it was the same with Hares! He did add that he believed that "the lads with the dogs and lamps" were partly responsible for the demise of the deer and the hares on his property but he felt that the other shooter was also just as responsible for "taking more game than necessary"! I have now been given full permission on all of the 1500 acres on the condition that I do not overshoot it and concentrate my attention on the vermin more than the game! This I agreed to do as it is something that I like to think I always try to do! As I said, "Shooting and Conservation MUST go hand in hand" or we are going to ruin our own sport for ourselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pole Star Posted November 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) I firmly believe that shooting and conservation MUST work hand in hand. Unfortunately some shooters (I will add at this point that I believe that it is only a small minority) don't think the same as me. A typical example of this came up when I was given a new permission of around 1500 acres. I just called in on the off chance of getting a bit of crow shooting as I had seen hundreds of crows feeding on one particular patch of the farm, even though I knew that there was another shooter that shot on that farm. When I spoke to the farmer he was reluctant at first, until I convinced him that I was as much a conservationist as I was a shooter. He explained that he had given this other "shooter" (Who I know personally and have always regarded as a bit "trigger happy") and up until then there had always been a good head of deer on his land. He explained that up until then it was unusual for him to go out to check on his sheep each day without coming across a few deer here and there. Unfortunately since giving this "other shooter" permission a couple of years ago there has hardly been a single deer to be seen on the permission - He also added that it was the same with Hares! He did add that he believed that "the lads with the dogs and lamps" were partly responsible for the demise of the deer and the hares on his property but he felt that the other shooter was also just as responsible for "taking more game than necessary"! I have now been given full permission on all of the 1500 acres on the condition that I do not overshoot it and concentrate my attention on the vermin more than the game! This I agreed to do as it is something that I like to think I always try to do! As I said, "Shooting and Conservation MUST go hand in hand" or we are going to ruin our own sport for ourselves! Yes frenchieboy I heard the the same story from a farmer from Dorset who was recently shooting geese with me . He said that he wont let any one shoot dear on his farm because too many people on farms in his neck of the woods just treat them as vermin & shoot the living day lights out of them & if we cant maintain a decent balance then the obviouse thing happens . Many of us have shot too much in the past & have leared from the error in our ways usually when we were young shooters just starting out & dont get me wrong as I have no problem with shooting 30 or 40 driven pheasants or partridges so long as the stock is replaceble & the meat is used . A controversy in my neck of the woods at the moment is about the number of geese being shot by some visiting guns & they are just not from the boot shaped country in the med ! they are also from our own ranks . Where this will all end I dont know & there was a half a page write up in our loacl paper about farmers wanting a change of law to allow wild goose meat to be sold now if that happens . Pole Star . Edited November 6, 2011 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I think that the number of overseas guns that come over here says something about the way we conserve the wild life in this country of ours . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted November 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I think that the number of overseas guns that come over here says something about the way we conserve the wild life in this country of ours . Harnser . Yes that is spot on Harnser but on the other hand its us that is doing the conserving not them & i just can not under stand why they cant take a leaf out of our books home with them & try the same principles in their own countries . Just think how about a trip to Italy to shoot driven partridges on a nice sunny day in splendid sceary !. Just a thought ! Regards Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 You are right, some people just do not get it. I've even heard it said on here that they will 'shoot anything that moves'. That kind of attitude just plays right into the hands of any antis. On hares; a lot of people just think a hare is just a bigger, leggier rabbit. They aren't though - they generally have smaller litters and rarely get to to numbers that need controlling. A 'cull' like this is hardly necessary and can really knock back the local population. We occasionally get hares on the farm and I get far more pleasure watching them than I would from shooting. If there were more, then I may consider taking the odd one - but that would solely be for the pot rather than control. Rabbits are a different matter entirely :yp: Do you know Paul T since those young lads shot those 17 hares out lamping a little while ago I have not seen a hare on my farm ! so you are right it dose knock the loacal population . The hares they shot were on the farm just a little over the hill from me , I might shoot one or two a year & I think thats enough round here & also I like to see em about . They are very often just a few feet from where I sit by the window & use this pc & not only hares but a whole load of other wild life & game like Greylag geeses ,pheasants ,golden plover , snipe , rabbits . Not too mention the Short eared owls Hen harriers & Merlins wich land often only yards from where I sit . When the Hares will be back wait & see but we have a nice balance of wild bred pheasants wich no one shoots in big bags so the balance will or should maintain its self . :yp: Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) the ironic thing is I suspect if he was a shooting man as I think he was he probably shot more game birds than most of us put together. Here are a few trivia facts about him just to show he was indeed rather keen on his shooting http://www.funtrivia.com/en/People/George-VI-8767.html That said you have to have something to shoot at hence the importance of shooting and conservation working together Edited November 8, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Yeah, the balance should be put more back in than you take out. You can do this many ways from culling an over abundance of preditors or creating new habbitat. I have taken great joy in the growth in population of Curlew at nesting time here and also visible young, this i feel is largely due to heavy crow control and active fox control. Unfortunatly the Badgers have now moved in to fill the void so next year i suspect i will see a decline. I do shoot a few hares, actually i belive killing the older ones and leaving just a few increases numbers. Reasoning behind this is i think the old had lower breeding sucsess but as space was created for new incommers we now have plenty first season Hares, so i will leave them pretty much alone for a while now Unfortunatly not all landowners etc feel this way and yes also shooters are guilty of taking without putting back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah, the balance should be put more back in than you take out. You can do this many ways from culling an over abundance of preditors or creating new habbitat. I have taken great joy in the growth in population of Curlew at nesting time here and also visible young, this i feel is largely due to heavy crow control and active fox control. Unfortunatly the Badgers have now moved in to fill the void so next year i suspect i will see a decline. I do shoot a few hares, actually i belive killing the older ones and leaving just a few increases numbers. Reasoning behind this is i think the old had lower breeding sucsess but as space was created for new incommers we now have plenty first season Hares, so i will leave them pretty much alone for a while now Unfortunatly not all landowners etc feel this way and yes also shooters are guilty of taking without putting back You are spot on there Kent I take it the curlew population must be good in your neck of the woods , plenty of them here along with a whole number of other ground nesting birds . Its real plesure to see them & young in summer time but the silage cutter & combine havester do take a heavy toll . Crows & blackback gulls certainly dont give em much help not to mention the hoards of feral cats in Orkney ! the do gooders trap them & find homes for some & get the ones they cant find homes for neutered & then release em so they can go on killing more ground nesting birds !. The RSPB of course never condem this as they have their eye on the little wealthy old widows with one foot in the grave who make make up a good number of their members & they dont want to be forgotten when expiry day comes !. I do the RSPB some good as I bump off stacks of em every year ( cats not widows ) not to mention the shooting I take around one of their resevers & I get a few off them there too ! . So come RSPB as I know you read these sites give us a round of applause for protecting the groud nesters from them !. Note I do go OUT of my way too make sure I dont bump off any ones cat ! FERAL CATS are a big problem its just a pity the RSPB aint got the guts to admit it ! but they are more than happy to tar all game keepers with the same brush . It makes em feel good to get a public crucifixion & to hang a keeper on a gibbet so all the Bill Oddies of this world can take pleasure & squeal with delight at the sight of the victim !. I wonder what flack this post will bring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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