Hamster Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Get a Renault Scenic RX4 , a 2.0 petrol one will do 30 mpg, the much more desirable 1.9 Dci will easily manage 35 mpg. It'll put most family saloon cars to shame for comfort, with spec to shame your average Merc, mega clever rear seating arrangement, easily removable seats if the vast boot isn't big enough, multitude of cubby and hidey holes for shooting apparel, extremely safe 4 star NCAP (sorry if that's too nerdy for you ) will off-road where you wouldn't dare think possible for an MPV and looks pretty good too. Your budget will easily find a good one with enough left to insure it. I know the jokers will be racing to post on Renaults horrendous reliability but on the whole they are no worse than most, in fact being the old shape, they are positively biddable for an old car. Drawbacks are that the clutch bite point is really high and can be off putting and to be fair 105 bhp isn't enough to make progress too rapid. ps. VERY unlikely to have been off-loaded compared to the competition. Edited November 25, 2011 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 nout wrong with proper ones, my series had big'uns on it but after looking under a jimny they're damn pathetic things but surely its all relative to the vehicle they're under. a land rover is heavy and made to carry a fair weight,but i jimny is light and not made to carry much weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Jimny all the way, cracking motor and anyone who has one will know that they are one of the best off road, economical in comparison, and reliable....and anyone who knows one end of a jimmy from a pineapple will know they have coil springs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyR Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Jimny. Small, yes. Bouncy, yes. Slow, yes. but cheap to run, well built and goes everywhere. Get something bigger if you need to. I don't. Replaced my Touareg with one. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Dr evil please tell me why you cant get a decent 90 or 110 for under 3000? Your talking utter ****!! I paid £1200 for my D reg 90 which had just over 120k on it. Not exactly alot for the age. It also had plenty of other kit that came with it lift kit, custom built roof rack, big off road tyres etc. Put a disco transfer box in it and you can sit at 70 on the motorway all day long. Keep your eye out on the net for one. There out there youve just got to look. You wont regret it. Cheers Ben I spent two years searching for a good 90 in county spec with a 300tdi and you just can't get one for £3000, same with a county 200tdi You can say I'm talking utter **** all you want but you've just proved my point, its a D reg meaning its running a TD or TDI which are useless underpowered engines, you've got over 100k on the clock, I won't touch anything with over 90,000 on it due to the problems you have with under maintained engines when buying from private parties I also won't touch a car without it having full service history so again for that money you won't get one which matches up to the whole criteria, on top of that I also won't touch a LR with a rusty chassis…..the way to check it is with a small bellhammer and if you hear thin metal walk away because that means the tin worms set in………I might be overly picky but it means I get a great vehicle I know I can rely on My latest LR is a 1998 MK 1 Discovery ES so full leather etc, FSH, all extras, no rust, fully wax sealed, brand new BFG AT tyres all round and limited edition black Boost alloys , couple of small performance mods too and a full tank of fuel plus a years MOT Oh the mileage was also a genuine 72,000 with all MOT's to back it up, HPI clear and it came with Cibie spotlights Jimny all the way, cracking motor and anyone who has one will know that they are one of the best off road, economical in comparison, and reliable....and anyone who knows one end of a jimmy from a pineapple will know they have coil springs... I swear the last one I saw was running leaf springs, mind you all the ones round here are about 10 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I spent two years searching for a good 90 in county spec with a 300tdi and you just can't get one for £3000, same with a county 200tdi You can say I'm talking utter **** all you want but you've just proved my point, its a D reg meaning its running a TD or TDI which are useless underpowered engines, you've got over 100k on the clock, I won't touch anything with over 90,000 on it due to the problems you have with under maintained engines when buying from private parties I also won't touch a car without it having full service history so again for that money you won't get one which matches up to the whole criteria, on top of that I also won't touch a LR with a rusty chassis…..the way to check it is with a small bellhammer and if you hear thin metal walk away because that means the tin worms set in………I might be overly picky but it means I get a great vehicle I know I can rely on My latest LR is a 1998 MK 1 Discovery ES so full leather etc, FSH, all extras, no rust, fully wax sealed, brand new BFG AT tyres all round and limited edition black Boost alloys , couple of small performance mods too and a full tank of fuel plus a years MOT Oh the mileage was also a genuine 72,000 with all MOT's to back it up, HPI clear and it came with Cibie spotlights I swear the last one I saw was running leaf springs, mind you all the ones round here are about 10 years old so you spent 2 years searching for a 300tdi 90 because you wanted one,and now your saying the tdi is a useless under powered engine?.................so why spend 2 years trying to buy one ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 so you spent 2 years searching for a 300tdi 90 because you wanted one,and now your saying the tdi is a useless under powered engine?.................so why spend 2 years trying to buy one ?? The engine line goes n/a, TD, TDI, 200TDI, 300TDI, TD5, Puma, TDCi The TD and TDi are useless, the 300 and 200 are completely different engines to the original ones……..I never said there was a problem with the 200 or 300 series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I ran a hilux surf for 8 years loved it to bits, was big, went through anything, carried anything, greedy @23 mpg average (dont know how anyone claims better?) but **** law 3 weeks after flying through yet another mot without a glitch seems the water pump failed head went in heartbeat and the pressure blew the bottom of a (truthfully) well rotten radiator, so off to surf heaven it went, only had about 3k spare so set about looking for a new 4x4 shooting truck, took a chance and a train to Sheffield picked up an 03 plate near mint 2L petrol grand vitara with 40k on the clock, for £2,600 ride is a bit "bouncy" but overall a cracking motor not going to the filling station half as much as with me old surf, so well pleased with it for the money KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 The engine line goes n/a, TD, TDI, 200TDI, 300TDI, TD5, Puma, TDCi The TD and TDi are useless, the 300 and 200 are completely different engines to the original ones……..I never said there was a problem with the 200 or 300 series i don't think it does,i think it go's, 2.5na (12J, 13J, 14J and 15J) then then 2.5 turbo diesel (19j) then 200tdi (11L direct injection) and then 300tdi (16L and 23L) and so on.so the under powered tdi you speak of is either a 200 or a 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 i don't think it does,i think it go's, 2.5na (12J, 13J, 14J and 15J) then then 2.5 turbo diesel (19j) then 200tdi (11L direct injection) and then 300tdi (16L and 23L) and so on.so the under powered tdi you speak of is either a 200 or a 300. Hmmm might have gotten mixed up there but its definitely not a 200 or 300tdi as thats what I use right now, slightly tweaked and its no slouch driven a 200ti 90 too and with a pump mod they go well too I think its 2.5 TD I've gotten mixed up on thinking there were two versions, they're definitely underpowered as we've used one before But yes no way its the 200/300 as thats what I've been driving and they're very good once you turn the fuel pump up and remove that stupid cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 i've ran them all,the 2.5na is underpowered but its also luck of the draw as to wether you get one that pulls half decent or not,the 2.5td can be good but is prone to cracking pistons,the 200 is sound with plenty of low down torque and the 300 is very good especaily when tweaked and fitted with a big intercooler and unrestricted exhaust,i'm running two 300tdi motors at the minute one in a disco and one in a defender.i've never bothered getting a td5 because i don't like all the electronic to do with that engine,but my old fella run's one thats chipped and he loves it.but what you really need is a 6.2GMC V8 diesel,my mum had a range rover with one in,and it was a flying machine! best about it she only did about 28mph to and from asda in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) I spent two years searching for a good 90 in county spec with a 300tdi and you just can't get one for £3000, same with a county 200tdi You can say I'm talking utter **** all you want but you've just proved my point, its a D reg meaning its running a TD or TDI which are useless underpowered engines, you've got over 100k on the clock, I won't touch anything with over 90,000 on it due to the problems you have with under maintained engines when buying from private parties I also won't touch a car without it having full service history so again for that money you won't get one which matches up to the whole criteria, on top of that I also won't touch a LR with a rusty chassis…..the way to check it is with a small bellhammer and if you hear thin metal walk away because that means the tin worms set in………I might be overly picky but it means I get a great vehicle I know I can rely on My latest LR is a 1998 MK 1 Discovery ES so full leather etc, FSH, all extras, no rust, fully wax sealed, brand new BFG AT tyres all round and limited edition black Boost alloys , couple of small performance mods too and a full tank of fuel plus a years MOT Oh the mileage was also a genuine 72,000 with all MOT's to back it up, HPI clear and it came with Cibie spotlights I swear the last one I saw was running leaf springs, mind you all the ones round here are about 10 years old Our jimny is 11 years old, they had coils from the start, you maybe thinking about sj's And 100k on any diesel is nothing at all! Just run in! I've nearly got that clocking on my disco!! Why would you avoid anything over 100k in a diesel?? As long as it's serviced a diesel can comfortably see 250k! Regards, Fixer Edited November 25, 2011 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 i've ran them all,the 2.5na is underpowered but its also luck of the draw as to wether you get one that pulls half decent or not,the 2.5td can be good but is prone to cracking pistons,the 200 is sound with plenty of low down torque and the 300 is very good especaily when tweaked and fitted with a big intercooler and unrestricted exhaust,i'm running two 300tdi motors at the minute one in a disco and one in a defender.i've never bothered getting a td5 because i don't like all the electronic to do with that engine,but my old fella run's one thats chipped and he loves it.but what you really need is a 6.2GMC V8 diesel,my mum had a range rover with one in,and it was a flying machine! best about it she only did about 28mph to and from asda in it. Yes I've driven a 110 with one of those in it alongside the running gear Excellent engine and sounds very good when put on the right exhaust, however the 6.5 T version is much better if you can find one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 this had a full stainless system,the n/a was more than enough in the rangey,but you can't knock a bit more grunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Our jimny is 11 years old, they had coils from the start, you maybe thinking about sj's And 100k on any diesel is nothing at all! Just run in! I've nearly got that clocking on my disco!! Why would you avoid anything over 100k in a diesel?? As long as it's serviced a diesel can comfortably see 250k! Regards, Fixer Wouldn't surprise me if I was tbh, I don't know much about Suzuki's Theres plenty of things round here that are mini sized and have a suzuki badge on them so quite possibly I have no doubt in a diesel engines ability to hit 300k however when buying from private individuals with no service history you can't be sure on clocking and I don't trust people who say they home service their landies on fleabay and then don't keep the receipts Our last disco was on 130k when it was sold, still running well however theres plenty of clocked ones out there and poorly maintained engines plus at high mileage other parts start to become worn and can cause more problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 this had a full stainless system,the n/a was more than enough in the rangey,but you can't knock a bit more grunt. Aye it was more than enough in the 110 too, problem with defender brakes is that they aren't that great so too much weight and power is bad if left standard I've got a full stainless system on my disco 300 and it makes it sound a lot better, plus cos its straight thru you can hear the turbo spool up when you floor it. Running a 2.5" pipe right now but I want to change it next year to a 3" under drivers door exit as I'll be modding it up for offroading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 You could buy my R reg 110, 12 months mot just serviced £3300 only 60,000 miles one careful owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 my old 300tdi 90 had a standard front pipe,going onto a 3" flexi pipe then a 3" stainless pipe coming up behind the truck cab,all straight through with no box's.also had a full width allard intercooler,diesel turned up and a heavy right foot! sounded mint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningDJC Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Spend £2000 on a clean pajero and a decent set of tyres! All the toys, comfort, reliable. Super select 4wd system so can be run on road in 4wd in bad weather if you wish. They really are unbeatable for the money! and still have a nice bit left in your pocket! Land rovers are a love em or hate em thing but personally me and my friends have never seemed to find a reliable one, and they are a very particular taste to drive on road. Surf's are a good option, but go for 3 litre not under powered 2.4 td. Troopers can be bought worth the money, citations are great. But personally i'd go for the pajero, have been worth their weight in gold to me, had 5 shoguns/pajero's in the family and all have been excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Just to add, my little jimny has just passed another mot, no minors at all, just needed a new wheel bearing As for milage, shes just gone around the clock, not bad for an S reg coke can Edited November 26, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Get a Renault Scenic RX4 , a 2.0 petrol one will do 30 mpg, the much more desirable 1.9 Dci will easily manage 35 mpg. It'll put most family saloon cars to shame for comfort, with spec to shame your average Merc, mega clever rear seating arrangement, easily removable seats if the vast boot isn't big enough, multitude of cubby and hidey holes for shooting apparel, extremely safe 4 star NCAP (sorry if that's too nerdy for you ) will off-road where you wouldn't dare think possible for an MPV and looks pretty good too. Your budget will easily find a good one with enough left to insure it. I know the jokers will be racing to post on Renaults horrendous reliability but on the whole they are no worse than most, in fact being the old shape, they are positively biddable for an old car. Drawbacks are that the clutch bite point is really high and can be off putting and to be fair 105 bhp isn't enough to make progress too rapid. ps. VERY unlikely to have been off-loaded compared to the competition. Just so as you aint disapointed with the lack of knockers, yeah Renult are total pants on reliability. The reason for the high NCAP is they dont hurt pedestrians too much as all the plasic falls off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Old range rover 2.5td. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Just so as you aint disapointed with the lack of knockers, yeah Renult are total pants on reliability. The reason for the high NCAP is they dont hurt pedestrians too much as all the plasic falls off :lol: Pants compared to what? I'm not saying they never break, just that any repair bills won't be any more than say a £2500 grand Pajero or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cush Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Jimny all the way, cracking motor and anyone who has one will know that they are one of the best off road, economical in comparison, and reliable....and anyone who knows one end of a jimmy from a pineapple will know they have coil springs... i back you up on that one bud, got one myself only got stuck twice a navara had 4 attempts to get close to pull me out and the other needed a tractor,jimny all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I know of a tidy 90 for sale for £3k, 12 months MOT 6 months tax. 285/75 special trax, 2" lift and a winch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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