cockercas Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) just reading a couple of threads. one turned into a 'no one must know were your keys are' and the other was asking about what happens to the guns when someone dies. so picture the scene. i go to get a takeaway tonight, a drink driver ploughs head on into my car killing me instantly. while my guns are safely locked up in a steel cabinet, bolted to a wall with very little chance of moving it.(due to the size of the cupboard and boiler and were its situated in there). you couldn't get a drill in, or a grinder to the cabinet. due to lack of space. so what happens to my guns? as know one knows were my keys are :yp: and except from cutting two leafs of brick work to get at it, its not moving. and whos responsible for removing them? bearing in mind, from a legal pint of view the wife/gf has noting to do with them? Edited February 25, 2012 by cockercas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Would the police turn up with a locksmith maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Would the police turn up with a locksmith maybe? You beat me to it , a decent locksmith will get in it for you no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 just reading a couple of threads. one turned into a 'no one must know were your keys are' and the other was asking about what happens to the guns when someone dies. so picture the scene. i go to get a takeaway tonight, a drink driver ploughs head on into my car killing me instantly. while my guns are safely locked up in a steel cabinet, bolted to a wall with very little chance of moving it.(due to the size of the cupboard and boiler and were its situated in there). you couldn't get a drill in, or a grinder to the cabinet. due to lack of space. so what happens to my guns? as know one knows were my keys are :yp: and except from cutting two leafs of brick work to get at it, its not moving. and whos responsible for removing them? bearing in mind, from a legal pint of view the wife/gf has noting to do with them? Nothing is impossible to get into, a 24volt drill combined with a hole saw and a bit of kit, some time and your guns will be out and it the hands of the FAD. If you have room to put them it the cabinet then there is room to get them out!! The best advice is having the take-a-way delivered......... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 My spare set of keys are lodged with my brother in law, who is an sgc holder. He keeps them in his gun safe. Sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 My spare set of keys are lodged with my brother in law, who is an sgc holder. He keeps them in his gun safe. Sorted. Only if your guns are on his cert otherwise get them back its no different to your wife having them.Unless he has your guns on his certificate he cannot have access to your guns which he does have if he's got your keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 But can't he have them on the 72 hour rule?? Firearms legislation got to love it! I don't think having the keys is an issue unless he also has your house keys? Any locksmith worthy of the title would get in anyway so are they all breaking the law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eyes Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 My feo suggested that me and my dad swap spare keys so that we had access to each others cabinet incase anything happened to either of use. We both have SGC but neither of our guns are on each others certs. If he suggested it then it has to be OK so far as I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 The combination to my house safe is in my will with copies in the bank and solicitors, with instructions for procedure, and the location of the keys is in a sealed envelope in there, how much more safe does it need to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I spek dem rools be more relaxed for SG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo23 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I have a letter where the spares are kept, only two people know where the letter is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 You will have seen from the other topic that I have lodged a spare set of keys and a copy of my fac/sgc,in a sealed envelope, with my solicitor together with instructions on what to do on my death. I have also advised my wife of this fact and instructed her that on my death she is to contact my firearms licensing manager to arrange for her to be issued with a section 7 permit which will allow her to legally hold my guns, thus giving her plenty of time to dispose of them as she sees fit. As soon as she has been issued with the S7 permit my solicitor will hand over the envelope containing the keys...........simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Only if your guns are on his cert otherwise get them back its no different to your wife having them.Unless he has your guns on his certificate he cannot have access to your guns which he does have if he's got your keys. (insert sound of 'wrong answer' buzzer here) Wrong, thank you for playing. It's entirely different to my wife having them. He doesn't live here, share my bed or wash and iron my clothes! Besides that, he doesn't have access to my house and therefore my guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) My feo suggested that me and my dad swap spare keys so that we had access to each others cabinet incase anything happened to either of use. We both have SGC but neither of our guns are on each others certs. If he suggested it then it has to be OK so far as I see. I too have done what the FEO suggested. ( but different to 4eyes ). As it was his suggestion, I believe that it would be seen as reasonable under the law if the doo doo hits the fan. Plus I know from the FEO, and another cert holder in my area, that this is his standard advice. Seems entirely reasonable to me. I'm not too sure I'd be keen on the details of the arrangement being on a public forum tho! :yp: ATB Sim Edited February 25, 2012 by FarmerSim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 i never thought of a locksmith :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 i have buried my spare set of keys in a remote spot, i then drew a map and tore the map in 4 pieces and left 1 with my wife, 1 with my will, 1 with my solicitor and the last is pinned to the wall with the locations of the other pieces so should i die everyone can go on treasure hunt. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 If there's room to open the door then you could get a drill or grinder in! I would expect with a thorough search your keys would show themselves anyway. Quite how well hidden are they supposed to be? Mine spend most of my time in my pocket with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 If there's room to open the door then you could get a drill or grinder in! I would expect with a thorough search your keys would show themselves anyway. Quite how well hidden are they supposed to be? Mine spend most of my time in my pocket with me. you wouldnt get a drill in mine. and i wouldnt want to use a grinder without my body behind it, all it would do is keep kicking back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 When I suggested to the visiting officer that I would swap spare keys with my mate both of us being cert holders none of us having keys to the others house he said UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES. He also said we could not even lodge them with my local RFD But hey if you and your buzzer are so sure sleep easy. I am the first guy on the site who says fao's dont always give correct advice this was a definite don't you dare. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Well mine said completely the opposite, and I quote " thats a good idea". Thats the law for you, you say tomato.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 If I'm dead I don't think I will be too bothered. Selfish? Maybe, but I reckon the ones looking for the keys and having to deal with all that nonsense will have a nice few quid coming their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 When I suggested to the visiting officer that I would swap spare keys with my mate both of us being cert holders none of us having keys to the others house he said UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES. He also said we could not even lodge them with my local RFD But hey if you and your buzzer are so sure sleep easy. I am the first guy on the site who says fao's dont always give correct advice this was a definite don't you dare. :o Did he say why? I fail to see why this isn't legal. I don't think dealers would be too keen to do it but it isn't illegal. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 My feo suggested that me and my dad swap spare keys so that we had access to each others cabinet incase anything happened to either of use. We both have SGC but neither of our guns are on each others certs. If he suggested it then it has to be OK so far as I see. Which part of that do you have in writing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) But can't he have them on the 72 hour rule?? The 72 hours starts when you give him the cabinet keys, thats the point at which he has your shotguns! Firearms legislation got to love it! I don't think having the keys is an issue unless he also has your house keys? Breaking into a house is generally very easy! Any locksmith worthy of the title would get in anyway so are they all breaking the law? Edited February 26, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 But can't he have them on the 72 hour rule?? Firearms legislation got to love it! I don't think having the keys is an issue unless he also has your house keys? Any locksmith worthy of the title would get in anyway so are they all breaking the law? Nope. The 72 hour rule relates to lending someone a shotgun. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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