gazzthompson Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 just look at society today.some folk would need tellin.murder and theft on the news every day of life. If everybody was Christian, this would not change in the slightest. Look at the states, mostly Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) when the bible is used as a basic code to every day living the world would be a better place.i reckon that's half the problem with society today , very few do. just look at the ten commandments. basic does and don't s. theft, murder,just to name two.i don't think basic principles in the bible would hurt society.its lack of them principles that is hurting it You don't need to follow ten commandments and the basic code of the bible to make the place a better world. If you murder someone, you'll find that the book of the Law will be the book your lawyer will be reading from, not the bible. Edited June 8, 2012 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I have just seen on Granada Reports that the first "Gay Couple" (Two men) have been "Officially and Legally Married" in a church in Liverpool. No such thing as gay marriage in this country. Civil partnership yes, but not marriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Other than murder and theft, the ten commandments are mostly irrelevant. And we don't need a book to tell us killing and stealing is wrong. You do were I live lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Can the Christians here explain to me Deuteronomy 22:13-21? No because it has no relevance to the topic, start a new one on OT hermeneutics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 And herein lies the source of most torture, oppression, war & hatred. Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan.......? Other than murder and theft, the ten commandments are mostly irrelevant. And we don't need a book to tell us killing and stealing is wrong. Mt, 22:35-40, is the basis for them all. If everybody was Christian, this would not change in the slightest. Look at the states, mostly NOMINAL Christian. Just like this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 The Pigeonwatch Principle: "The mind of deity is eternally centered in Pigeonwatch. All angelic thought and ministry are centered in Pigeonwatch. All Satanic hatred and subtlety are centered at Pigeonwatch. All human hopes are, and human occupations should be, centered in Pigeonwatch. The whole material universe in creation is centered in Pigeonwatch. The entire written word is centered in Pigeonwatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 The Pigeonwatch Principle: "The mind of deity is eternally centered in Pigeonwatch. All angelic thought and ministry are centered in Pigeonwatch. All Satanic hatred and subtlety are centered at Pigeonwatch. All human hopes are, and human occupations should be, centered in Pigeonwatch. The whole material universe in creation is centered in Pigeonwatch. The entire written word is centered in Pigeonwatch. And here endeth the first lesson. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Sorry mate not trying to be funny but have no idea what that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan.......? I did say 'most' Anyway, you're just pointing out totalitarian leaders, where they are their own religion. "Obey me or die a painful death" - Isn't that just how every other God is summed up. I thought Hitler was Catholic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Sorry mate not trying to be funny but have no idea what that means. It was in response to "It really has got to be like a fashion statement designer sun glasses designer clothes oh and yes Iam GAY how trendy and with it am I" Why, well... I just couldn't fathom the words to respond to such a pathetic statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 if i had been born a woman i would have been proud to be a lesbian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) when the bible is used as a basic code to every day living the world would be a better place.i reckon that's half the problem with society today , very few do. just look at the ten commandments. basic does and don't s. theft, murder,just to name two.i don't think basic principles in the bible would hurt society.its lack of them principles that is hurting it why is it criminals and killers always find god after their crimes ? i think they must have heard of the 10 commandments before they did the crimes but i guess shorter sentences help focus the mind on religious study. ps i still would have been a lesbian if i had been a woman lol Edited June 8, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 if i had been born a woman i would have been proud to be a lesbian ps i still would have been a lesbian if i had been a woman lol Mr Freud, Mr Freud, call for you on line one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 It was in response to "It really has got to be like a fashion statement designer sun glasses designer clothes oh and yes Iam GAY how trendy and with it am I" Why, well... I just couldn't fathom the words to respond to such a pathetic statement. That's your opinion which you are of course intitled to and I would not have the right to call pathetic because even though I disagree it's what you think and beleive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 funny how no one believes in religion but when islam lands and votes allow them into power to bring shariah law we`ll see who prefers christianity. and oh yes guys that day is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 funny how no one believes in religion but when islam lands and votes allow them into power to bring shariah law we`ll see who prefers christianity. and oh yes guys that day is coming to be honest - if someone had asked me this question 15 years ago - i would have been totally against same sex marriage - but in that time, and with certain world terrorist events being the catalyst for me taking a closer look at Islam, i quite frankly have been totally convinced against taking a strict religious (ANY religious) interpretation on the world / life in general. We absolutley should maintain and defend the moral/legal backdrop of liberal christianity that we have, but we need to balance / sense check this when literal interpretations of anything from the bible give us a situation like this. If not how can we hold the moral high ground when other relgious groups want to justify unpleasant actions on the basis that it was written down a few thousand years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) That's your opinion which you are of course intitled to and I would not have the right to call pathetic because even though I disagree it's what you think and beleive.... I call your statement pathetic because you have ignorantly stereotyped gays. If your opinion involves a perceived stereotypical view then in my opinion, it isn't valid. If I sat here and said "All hunters/shooters are obese, heartless and are bound to murder a family member in their life" would you deem my opinion entitled and justified? Edited June 8, 2012 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I call your statement pathetic because you have ignorantly stereotyped gays. If your opinion involves a perceived stereotypical view then in my opinion, it isn't valid. If I sat here and said "All hunters/shooters are obese, heartless and are bound to murder a family member in their life" would you deem my opinion entitled and justified? Not justified but most definitely entitled, I appoligise if you took offence from something I said but just because you don't agree with what I say does not make it pathetic. As you are clearly standing up for Gay rights you should be able to understand that we all don't agree with you,but that doesn't make you pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 If I sat here and said "All hunters/shooters are obese, heartless and are bound to murder a family member in their life" would you deem my opinion entitled and justified? To be fair there is a disproportional amount of chunky monkeys in the shooting fraternity.... Must be all the fine eating of game, or the bacon double cheese burgers at the clay grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 To be fair there is a disproportional amount of chunky monkeys in the shooting fraternity You calling me fat?! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 i found this on a forum its quite amusing Maybe this sums it all up in a nutshell of why things don't quite work as religion intended: On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger ( America 's most popular talk show host) - said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura and posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual un-cleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia P.S. It would be a damn shame if we couldn’t own a Canadian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 i found this on a forum its quite amusing Maybe this sums it all up in a nutshell of why things don't quite work as religion intended: On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger ( America 's most popular talk show host) - said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura and posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual un-cleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia P.S. It would be a damn shame if we couldn’t own a Canadian. Seen this before - Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 i found this on a forum its quite amusing I rather liked that. What was the response I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 its quite amusing I think that's a bit of an understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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