Simon Clarke Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) New BASC chairman elected. 21st June 2012 Martyn Howat has been elected as the new chairman of BASC’s governing council. Martyn, 59, has been a keen game shooter and wildfowler for more than forty years. He is also an enthusiastic salmon fisherman and manages a salmon fishing syndicate. He had a career in environment management spanning 38 years and his last job was as Director of Uplands for Natural England. He has been advocating the benefits of game management for the landscape and wildlife of our environment throughout his career with both Natural England and its predecessors. He has worked closely with Government and with a wide range of organisations concerned with shooting and environmental matters. Martyn said: “I am delighted and proud to be appointed to serve as chairman of BASC council. I hope my first-hand knowledge of the benefits which shooting brings to the countryside and society will help BASC in the tremendous work it undertakes to ensure the high standards of our sport. I will do my utmost to promote what we do and do so well.” Edited June 21, 2012 by Simon Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Isn't this the guy that accused grouse keepers of killing all the Hen Harriers, and stuffed the wildfowlers on Lindesfarne by creating a huge no shoot zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stavvy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Isn't this the guy that accused grouse keepers of killing all the Hen Harriers, and stuffed the wildfowlers on Lindesfarne by creating a huge no shoot zone? I really hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfolio Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Isn't this the guy that accused grouse keepers of killing all the Hen Harriers, and stuffed the wildfowlers on Lindesfarne by creating a huge no shoot zone? Sadly, he's one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Natural England has not been the most accomodating organisation - lets hope the uplands were a distinctly different part of the whole. Dont know of the guy so maybe he is the 'mole'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Sadly, he's one and the same. good grief, next they will be apointing out and out antis Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 It is the same you just have to do a simple google of his name, the only thing you can say is that was as part of his previous employment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Seems you just have to call yourself a wildfowler these days and everyone kisses your ***. What a crock of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The other runner is on 552 hits - I can see this one overtaking it. When the other team fails to turn up, the one that does is declared the winner. It would seem that the exception may well be BASC as they don't need any opposition to lose to, as it seems they can do it all on their own judging by the number of own goals scored. The frightening thing is that as a whole BASC is not stupid so the only alternative is that the choice was deliberate. Come on, someone, please, tell me that I've got it all wrong, I beg you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 It is the same you just have to do a simple google of his name, the only thing you can say is that was as part of his previous employment So does this mean he is a man of low principle and will dance to any drum, is that what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) So does this mean he is a man of low principle and will dance to any drum, is that what you mean? I think its something like that but maybe; no principle and whoever pays his salary. If he is a man of principle then BASC has just become Natural England and will immediately advise all its gamekeeping members to **** off as they are killing raptors Edited June 21, 2012 by Kes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 So does this mean he is a man of low principle and will dance to any drum, is that what you mean? I really don't know I'd like to think he knows the system from the inside and as a shooting man can work with it in the best way. He seems to be someone who enjoys committees and organisations judging by where he has been before, assuming his past doesn't come back to haunt him and the membership get too upset. The wildfowlers who have had dealings don't hold him in good regard which isn't the best starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I really don't know I'd like to think he knows the system from the inside and as a shooting man can work with it in the best way. He seems to be someone who enjoys committees and organisations judging by where he has been before, assuming his past doesn't come back to haunt him and the membership get too upset. The wildfowlers who have had dealings don't hold him in good regard which isn't the best starting point. I think we have all experianced "the comittee man" character sometime Time will tell, i just hope it doesn't knock BASC back in its memberships eyes. We have had enough of caveins, compromises and "mates with". luckily we have Alistair Mitchell in the Northern office now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 luckily we have Alistair Mitchell in the Northern office now The NGO's loss is BASC's gain.Calls a spade a spade and doesn't mind who he says it to.He may be too late however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Good grief. I've heard Debbie Pain and Brian May are in the running for John Swifts job too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Perhaps BASC members need to be made aware of why the NGO was formed ! It was founded because Gamekeepers became disenchanted with the representation they were receiving from BASC. Is it not time to form an association for Wildfowlers of Great Britain and Ireland? May I suggest a name? WAGBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I`m normally a staunch supporter of BASC but once in a while something like this happens and I want to tear my hair out!!! Before I start ripping I have to say that it was actually the membership who voted him on to Council. I actually voted in that election - but not for him. So, if you`re a BASC member and you either did not vote, or voted for him as a candidate, you might either want to explain your actions, or stay out of this debate. The Chairman would usually be elected by Council, which would include the incoming council members who`s election had been announced earlier that day,at a selection meeting held immediately after the end of the AGM. If he has just been elected, and the AGM was on Saturday the 9th of this month it suggests to me that there were issues surrounding the chairmans election. I wonder what they were ? Over to you conspiracy theorists.Would`nt it be funny if the truth was actually stranger than the psychotic ramblings dreamed up in a cloud of shmoke by some of our contributors. I don`t know. Only time will tell as this tale unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Salopian, I have`nt turned my back on BASC completely. The NGO was formed as a result of the clash of personalities between strong willed members of the Gamekeeping committee and Council and the main bone of contention was about spending money. It was nothing to do with disenchantment about representation. BASC still has a thriving gamekeepers department so they could`nt all have been that disgruntled. Nice that the idea of WAGBI 2 is, lets be honest and state that the wildfowling community could`nt even get one of it`s candidates elected to BASC Council at the recent AGM. If `fowlers broke away from BASC they would be eaten alive by the RSPB, Natural England etc. within weeks. Stupid as the things it sometimes does are, BASC is the only real hope for shooters in general and wildfowlers in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Got to agree with Mud Patten. If everyone on this Forum who is critical of BASC had voted for wildfowlers in the recent election, then we might not be in the horrendous situation in which we now find ourselves. However there is hope. If every member of PigeonWatch who is also a BASC member writes to Marford Mill (in writing - BASC staff don't have to read internet chat shows) raising an objection to the election of the Chairman as defying all the rules of natural justice, then maybe the NE mole can be tossed out before he emasculates our organisation entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Salopian, I have`nt turned my back on BASC completely. The NGO was formed as a result of the clash of personalities between strong willed members of the Gamekeeping committee and Council and the main bone of contention was about spending money. It was nothing to do with disenchantment about representation. BASC still has a thriving gamekeepers department so they could`nt all have been that disgruntled. Nice that the idea of WAGBI 2 is, lets be honest and state that the wildfowling community could`nt even get one of it`s candidates elected to BASC Council at the recent AGM. If `fowlers broke away from BASC they would be eaten alive by the RSPB, Natural England etc. within weeks. Stupid as the things it sometimes does are, BASC is the only real hope for shooters in general and wildfowlers in particular. Well said, we need to stick with it and shout from within and tell them what WE WANT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Another good reason to join the National Gamekepers Organisation. It does what is says on the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I would be surprised if there has been any wrong doing in the election of the Chair. But along with many other things that are coming out of Faulty Towers, ooops I meant Marford Mill it would not surprise me. If his election was not carried out correctly then he should step down. I know that there will be supporters saying that he can give us insight. But it is a bit like Thor Hammer manufacturing company electing Peter Sutcliffe to the Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 How old are you? That one will go straight over the heads (pardon the pun) of anyone less than 45 but I do like it. Peter Sutcliffe - proof that nutters exist in the real world and not just in cyberspace. You may yet be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Fisheruk, What it actually says on the NGO tin, and I have no axe to grind with them whatsoever,is "We defend and promote gamekeeping." I`m not a gamekeeper and their mission statement is not of much use to a wildfowler. They do an excellent job with a subject at which they are the acknowledged experts,but will tell you themselves that they do not seek to represent the wider shooting world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Perhaps BASC members need to be made aware of why the NGO was formed ! It was founded because Gamekeepers became disenchanted with the representation they were receiving from BASC. Is it not time to form an association for Wildfowlers of Great Britain and Ireland? May I suggest a name? WAGBI :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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