pimpkiller Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 people who have kid,s (me) no matter what happend ,NO parent would be capable of burying there child. Rubbish mate, That may be right for you or I but unfortunately it happens much more often than anyone can imagine. The problem is no-one hears of it as it doesn't all go in the papers unless the papers print a story about working class "scum" or they can get a massive good story run from a presentable middle class couple that makes them lots of money. My Partner works in a secure unit for learning disability/mental health and her father is basically the guy who goes into peoples homes and takes children off nutters and has to put pedos in hotels where they can watch them. When hes on call on a day off his bum never touches a seat at home because he has to go out and take a kid off a mother trying to chuck a baby out of a window or dash its brains against a wall. Ive said this before, 99% of child abuse is by their own parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 If there is any suspicion that this area contains human remains they can poke a few holes, put tubes down and let the cadaver dogs have a sniff. They will indicate whether there is anything human down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 So whats the hold up then.? Why have they not investigated.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 They did use some cadaver dogs in the hotel room, and it did give a positive indication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 people who have kid,s (me) no matter what happend ,NO parent would be capable of burying there child. You'd be surprised how many young people go back to visit family in India and never return. I guess they must like it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 They did use some cadaver dogs in the hotel room, and it did give a positive indication here is a little snippet of how the cadaver dogs work ? remember the same dog used in the madeline case, gave a positive result in the jersey care home case (that turned out to be false as the dog reacted to a coconut shell) KW the video of Eddie the cadaver dog searching an indoor car park where the McCann's rental car was parked amongst several others. It makes uncomfortable viewing. At first, Eddie shows no interest in the McCann car. He sniffs it then moves on to the next. His handler however, does not and calls him back. It is the first car that the handler calls the dog back to. Eddie comes back, sniffs and moves on to the next car once again. The handler calls him back a second time. This time Eddie returns and alerts. Tell me a jury isn't going to question why the handler treats the McCann car different from all the others and why Eddie required two recalls before he alerted? The same thing happened in the McCann apartment with Madeleine McCann's cat toy and Eddie did not display any interest in the cat toy in the first instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) So whats the hold up then.? Why have they not investigated.? perhaps for 2 reasons one being the fact that the so called discovery was made by a nutter who admits to being obsessed with the Madeline case, or the fact that they have read the collective reasoning of the sherlock wannabes on PW who have summarily charged tried and found guilty the Mcanns so dont really need to bother obtaining evidence! which one is it KW Edited July 9, 2012 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Fred West was capable. Capable? He was outstanding. A master of his craft if you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Capable? He was outstanding. A master of his craft if you will. What? Building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 What? Building? Groundworking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Groundworking Under questioning he said he'd buried three. When the truth came to light he said 'it was only an estimate'. Thats true that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Groundworking I worked at a place where he laid the drains. The house name was the same as his street name... I never did like digging deep holes in that garden! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 perhaps for 2 reasons one being the fact that the so called discovery was made by a nutter who admits to being obsessed with the Madeline case, or the fact that they have read the collective reasoning of the sherlock wannabes on PW who have summarily charged tried and found guilty the Mcanns so dont really need to bother obtaining evidence! which one is it KW Put that way KW it would have to be the latter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 I worked at a place where he laid the drains. The house name was the same as his street name... I never did like digging deep holes in that garden! :blink: I did a harvest in Evesham when it was all kicking off. We'd popped in to Glos for a few beers after getting rained off for the day. On the way back my mate thought it would be funny to transport me in my sleeping state to Cromwell street. He nudged me awake and said 'we're here!' When I was in the process of getting out when the penny dropped. Didn't much like it being a sensitive sort of lad. They'd not long removed the house number but the shadow of it was still evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 perhaps for 2 reasons one being the fact that the so called discovery was made by a nutter who admits to being obsessed with the Madeline case, or the fact that they have read the collective reasoning of the sherlock wannabes on PW who have summarily charged tried and found guilty the Mcanns so dont really need to bother obtaining evidence! which one is it KW They are guilty - of leaving thier kids alone - regardless of any posts on who may have killed Madelein or how - the root cause what's her parents leaving her. For that there is no excuse - saying "it used to happen all the time" matters not a jot. You have a duty of care to look after your kids and anyone who leaves them to go out and socialise should have the book thrown at them regardless of income or social stature/standing. You don't need to be a perfect parent - in fact - you could argue that legal requirements are few and far between so even the idiots should manage those (basics such as feeding, clothing, shelter and supervision) Even most animals know not to leave their offspring unattended.... As I've said on her below - they will always have to live with the fact they left thier kids unattended, they should in my opinion be charged with neglect, and if they had any part in her possible death then god help them as there is a special place in hell for people that do that.... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Man Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Leaving three small children on their own whilst they went out on the pop is just patently wrong and both should be prosecuted and their fitness to practice investigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Kate McCann appeared in one of the papers today. Usual stuff, but still not one word of regret or self reproach. :no: :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 I understand the anger at the parents for leaving the kids alone, it was irresponsible, but can we please remember that the real villain could be a sick ******* paedophile. It's not as if they left the kids on a cliff edge is it ? OK, it was stupid given the twisted nature of some "humans", but perhaps we can spare a bit of venom for the perverts. Just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) I understand the anger at the parents for leaving the kids alone, it was irresponsible, but can we please remember that the real villain could be a sick ******* paedophile. It's not as if they left the kids on a cliff edge is it ? OK, it was stupid given the twisted nature of some "humans", but perhaps we can spare a bit of venom for the perverts. Just in case. "It's not as if they left the kids on a cliff edge is it?" They just as well have done. We still don`t know if she was taken by a paedo/pervert or taken to satisfy someones desire to have a daughter. We do know however that the McCanns commited a horrendous crime. One for which many questions still remain unanswered. People in this country even now are being jailed for what the McCanns did, why are they any different? Edited July 12, 2012 by Muggins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 here is a little snippet of how the cadaver dogs work ? remember the same dog used in the madeline case, gave a positive result in the jersey care home case (that turned out to be false as the dog reacted to a coconut shell) KW the video of Eddie the cadaver dog searching an indoor car park where the McCann's rental car was parked amongst several others. It makes uncomfortable viewing. At first, Eddie shows no interest in the McCann car. He sniffs it then moves on to the next. His handler however, does not and calls him back. It is the first car that the handler calls the dog back to. Eddie comes back, sniffs and moves on to the next car once again. The handler calls him back a second time. This time Eddie returns and alerts. Tell me a jury isn't going to question why the handler treats the McCann car different from all the others and why Eddie required two recalls before he alerted? The same thing happened in the McCann apartment with Madeleine McCann's cat toy and Eddie did not display any interest in the cat toy in the first instance. You are right about the car indication IMO. But, there is no doubt about the apartment indication IMO. I knew the handler when he was a serving officer and was involved in the licensing of both his dogs just before this case. There is no doubt at all about whether cadever dogs will indicate material other than the human remains that they have been commissioned to look for. They will. All search dogs will occassionally give false indications to try and pre-empt their reward or out of frustration. What you cannot ignore though is the way that they indicate. It is the same with the big dogs when they are searching for hidden persons or spaniels searching for game. If you know the dog you can read the indication. They way that the cadever dog reacted in that apartment leaves me convinced that something involving a deceased person occurred close to the bottom of the stairs. You can't fake or entice that indication AND pass the annual licencing course. Calling a search dog back is routine. It ensures that the dog covers all the areas. Anyone who works spaniels or other dogs for that matter will know that they can and do miss out areas in their searching and return to the same areas over and over again. Directing a dog at distance or close up is nothing new and could easily be explained. That indication on its own is not sufficient to come to the opinion that it was Madaleine who spilt the blood that caused the indication. Another colleague's dog indicated the scene of a murder that had occurred over twenty years before. A lot of things can and do happen in a holiday apartment. The cadever dog is basically a tool that allows a fast, accurate and cheap scan of a crime scene. Keela's handler took that one stage further and trained the dog to point exactly at a spot of blood or gore. That allows the forensic people to harvest the evidence. In the McCann's case there was no conclusive forensic evidence. I understand that Mr. McCann made a large purchase of cleaning materials on the night in question. Incidentally, The licensing test carried out on the two dogs in question involved a simulated crime scene whereby some of the microscopic blood spills were cleaned up. Six weeks later the dogs indicated the original sites of the spots of blood and the mop and bucket used to clean it up. And believe me, I cleaned that mop and bucket with bleach and copious amounts of water. There might have been nothing for the forensic people, but the dog knew where the scent was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 "Mr. McCann made a large purchase of cleaning materials on the night in question" if thats true that dont look good who cleans up big time when on holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 "Mr. McCann made a large purchase of cleaning materials on the night in question" if thats true that dont look good who cleans up big time when on holiday It's not true. Like so much of the contents of this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 It's not true. Like so much of the contents of this thread im pleased to hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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