gallant Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 hi,shotgun cert renewal, got notice today, who sends back there expiring cert, no cert for 6 to 8 weeks or longer gulp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 NEVER SEND BACK YOUR TICKET ,you need it to hold guns and buy ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallant Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 NEVER SEND BACK YOUR TICKET ,you need it to hold guns and buy ammo dont wont to delay renewal, they say i have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 You do have to! Same thing when you cha.he address. Always have to send ticket back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 no you dont ,funny that as tonight we had are committee meeting and there's 2 RFDs in are committee and one is a sec 5 dealer , both said you need to keep your ticket ,you can send it to them when you reserve your new one, if they say " its ok we know were the guns are and dont use them ,just keep them in the gun cabinet,"THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND ASKING YOU TO AS WELL ,if you dont believe me just ring the BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallant Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 no you dont ,funny that as tonight we had are committee meeting and there's 2 RFDs in are committee and one is a sec 5 dealer , both said you need to keep your ticket ,you can send it to them when you reserve your new one, if they say " its ok we know were the guns are and dont use them ,just keep them in the gun cabinet,"THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND ASKING YOU TO AS WELL ,if you dont believe me just ring the BASC can they refuse to renew if you dont send it back, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 hi,shotgun cert renewal, got notice today, who sends back there expiring cert, no cert for 6 to 8 weeks or longer gulp. The fact that you send your certificate back doesn't mean you're holding guns illegally. Just make sure you have enough cartridges. If you're worried about it, and always have it with you when shooting make a copy of it. Any copper stopping you will have all the information to hand anyway, and can easily check that the licensing dept. have your original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 no you dont ,funny that as tonight we had are committee meeting and there's 2 RFDs in are committee and one is a sec 5 dealer , both said you need to keep your ticket ,you can send it to them when you reserve your new one, if they say " its ok we know were the guns are and dont use them ,just keep them in the gun cabinet,"THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND ASKING YOU TO AS WELL ,if you dont believe me just ring the BASC You're getting confused with having the guns when the ticket has expired and a new one hasn't been issued. A section 7 certificate should then be issued...but they don't like doing that so will sometimes say it's ok to keep/use your guns until the new certificate arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I sent in for a variation and didn't send my ticket back they phoned me 5 days later and asked me to send the licence in as they can't go any further ,sent it in dropped on the mat ten days after posting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 with variations they either amend or more usually re print your ticket, generally that means you have to send it in. Renewal is slightly different and you can keep your ticket and then either keep it or hand it back when the new one appears. If they ask for it to be sent with renewal poontang is correct you are not holding guns illegally till technically your certificate expires. Thats when they are recomending a temporary cert, many departments do encourage you not to worry when its expired if you had your application in in good time. To date no one has been prosecuted for illegal posession while their renewal has been delayed, doesn't mean it can't happen but if it did you would be in court and the FEO would be a witness in the prosecution which lets face it is never going to happen when its their fault. In a way it would be good if a case was laughed out of court as it would then highlight just how slow some departments are. Ours are generally very good and it never happens now but I had in theory a fortnights gap a couple of renewals ago but it was only a theory one as my new ticket when printed started on the day the old one expired so effectively back dated. So in theory no offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You do have to! Same thing when you cha.he address. Always have to send ticket back Sorry but not true! I still have my last one and it was never asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian top shot Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I think that all counties are different, but one thing is correct what poontang says if you don't send your renewal form soon enough and your old ticket expires and you don't have your new one back then you should be issued with a temp cert, I have always sent mine back because they have asked for it, I always speak to the chap that does mine and he has always been excellent, some people send them back and some don't, if your unsure give them a phone and ask them, I know up here in cumbria they only send you one reminder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_shooting Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The fact that you send your certificate back doesn't mean you're holding guns illegally. Just make sure you have enough cartridges. If you're worried about it, and always have it with you when shooting make a copy of it. Any copper stopping you will have all the information to hand anyway, and can easily check that the licensing dept. have your original. its illegal to make copys of your certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 its illegal to make copys of your certificate Why is it illegal to make a copy of it? I always carry a copy with me when I am out with a rifle. It is very easy to see that the copy, even if it is in colour is a copy due to the Fraud water mark that comes up on the print. I do this so that there is no way I want to get the original wet and I know exactly where the original is stored for when I do need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Why is it illegal to make a copy of it? Strictly speaking it's flouting copyright legislation,as the copyright belongs to the crown,but I doubt anyone will ever be charged for it.Licensing don't 'need' your existing license back at renewal time,they have all the information they're ever going to need on file;nor is there any legal requirement to send it back as far as I know.Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.You could always ask your shooting organisation for advice if unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 hi,shotgun cert renewal, got notice today, who sends back there expiring cert, no cert for 6 to 8 weeks or longer gulp. It may be a county thing but have a read of this letter I recieved with my renewal notice. It clearly states you do NOT have to send in your old certificate if you need it for shooting arrangements and to just send a copy in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 i didnt send mine back never have done, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 There is no legal requirement to send back your unexpired cert " its policy " they say. You need your cert to buy ammo show a landowner etc you hare legally entitled to have a gun, I handed mine back and went with my new cert to put my guns in storage and discovered that because my old cert had'nt yet expired I WAS NOT IN POSSESION OF A VALID SGC give it back on expiry if they do'nt like it get your shooting org to explain the law to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfbee Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Check out the BASC site, there is NO requirement to return. Edited October 3, 2012 by halfbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 what the police say is a different thing as what is law by the home office , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 TVP also ask for a copy to be sent, you keep the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I renewed my SGC in August and there was no requirement by the Kent Police to send my old licence back with the application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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