carpentermark Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Out in the pigeon hide today when a crow started heading for me, took the 29g no6 out of the gun and replaced with an (old) 42g no4..... it came into range....... up out the hide, aim, pull trigger click! no bang??!! Waited approx 30 secs slowly broke barrels and saw the firing pin had indented the primer................what to do? ?? Ejected the cart out the hide, walked 15yds away and shot it..... destroyed! What else could i have done, safely? Cheers, Mark. Edited October 13, 2012 by carpentermark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lees Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 The FEO asked me this at my interview I answered with keep it away from other cartridges etc and take it to the dealers for disposal (after my 1st, wrong answer) not sure how practical that would be, or how happy a dealer would be either haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Just try and fire it a couple of more times, if it doesn't go off just chuck it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Just try and fire it a couple of more times, if it doesn't go off just chuck it. Where (safely)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 On a fire,? (tongue in cheek) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Though I'm not suggesting it, it should be quite safe to throw them on a fire or put them in a bin. They don't explode, the worst they can do on a fire is burn fiercely. Some people cut them open with a sharp knife and tip out the powder, or you can just stick them somewhere out of sight. Out of sight, out of mind... In most cases firing the cartridge again will set it off, try it in another barrel. I find that most misfires occur with guns that may be a little worn, so trying it on the other barrel can make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Put it in water / puddle for 20 mins then cut open and remove powder and chuck away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I find it very worrying that people who claim to be experienced rifle shots are advocating firing it again - maybe they would be wise in doing a safety course! You should under no circumstances fire a mis-fire again, you have a now weakened primer - if the firing pin were to pierce the primer when re-fired - there is a large risk associated with the gasses from the cartridge now coming backwards out of the chamber as opposed to forwards - this has the potential for serious injury and or damage. Anyone seen attempting to re-fire a rifle round -ESPECIALLY a .22lr on the range whilst I am RCO would be required to leave the range and our club would hold a dim view of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 In response to what to do? With a shotgun cartridge, simply run your knife right around the case just about half way up the wad - separate the case, drop out the wad, shot and pour out the powder - now you have a totally safe cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I find it very worrying that people who claim to be experienced rifle shots are advocating firing it again - maybe they would be wise in doing a safety course! You should under no circumstances fire a mis-fire again, you have a now weakened primer - if the firing pin were to pierce the primer when re-fired - there is a large risk associated with the gasses from the cartridge now coming backwards out of the chamber as opposed to forwards - this has the potential for serious injury and or damage. Anyone seen attempting to re-fire a rifle round -ESPECIALLY a .22lr on the range whilst I am RCO would be required to leave the range and our club would hold a dim view of it. I find it very worrying that people reply to a thread without reading it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 In response to what to do? With a shotgun cartridge, simply run your knife right around the case just about half way up the wad - separate the case, drop out the wad, shot and pour out the powder - now you have a totally safe cartridge. No you don't you still have a live primer that needs disposing of, just like you did in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 No you don't you still have a live primer that needs disposing of, just like you did in the first place. True! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I find it very worrying that people who claim to be experienced rifle shots are advocating firing it again - maybe they would be wise in doing a safety course! You should under no circumstances fire a mis-fire again, you have a now weakened primer - if the firing pin were to pierce the primer when re-fired - there is a large risk associated with the gasses from the cartridge now coming backwards out of the chamber as opposed to forwards - this has the potential for serious injury and or damage. Anyone seen attempting to re-fire a rifle round -ESPECIALLY a .22lr on the range whilst I am RCO would be required to leave the range and our club would hold a dim view of it. But what's the answer ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 just try and shoot it again if it dont fire then cut the case rmove shot powder the soak the primer in water problem solved, ps i have never had any problems fireing shotgun or rifle ammo again after a missfire just dont be too quick in opening the gun wait the 30 secs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Most go the second time and I don't remember anyone saying don't do it on my RCO course, I have had it happen three or four times in a single box of .22s sometimes. You just get a bad batch. Edited October 14, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Most go the second time and I don't remember anyone saying don't do it on my RCO course Really? try reading the book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Chuck it in the other barrel and re fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I find it very worrying that people reply to a thread without reading it properly. I read the post - and if you read my answer properly you may then understand it - if not, would you like it explaining for you in smaller words? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 lots of military ammo is rechamberd after a missfire as you dont want any left on the range or in your pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sharp knife cut round cart till it falls apart. Ditch shot wad and powder and bury the primer and base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Anyone seen attempting to re-fire a rifle round -ESPECIALLY a .22lr on the range whilst I am RCO would be required to leave the range and our club would hold a dim view of it. Just as well we don't all belong to clubs like yours then isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I find it very worrying that people who claim to be experienced rifle shots are advocating firing it again - maybe they would be wise in doing a safety course! You should under no circumstances fire a mis-fire again, you have a now weakened primer - if the firing pin were to pierce the primer when re-fired - there is a large risk associated with the gasses from the cartridge now coming backwards out of the chamber as opposed to forwards - this has the potential for serious injury and or damage. Anyone seen attempting to re-fire a rifle round -ESPECIALLY a .22lr on the range whilst I am RCO would be required to leave the range and our club would hold a dim view of it. spot on you beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 i had it happen 3 or 4 times with saga 16 bore cartridges. i did what lord geordie said. i dont know if that was the right thing to do but thats what i did.(left them for 30mins first) i do know that click you get instead of the normal bang is very loud and off putting.(hated un loading the thing) If you stick them on a fire i have been told they dont go bang and just flame up and burn like roman candles for a second or two.(please do not do it) would not fancy sticky it in my pocket or bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Thanks for all the responses chaps, but what i really want to know is - After the miss-fire with the percussion cap having been indented quite hard by the firing pin, what are the chances of the cartridge going off in my hand when im i.e cutting it open??? Is there such thing as 'slow burn' on the primer in a shotty cart' Cheers, Mark. Edited October 15, 2012 by carpentermark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Just as well we don't all belong to clubs like yours then isn't it? The question related to a shotgun, a Rifle was not mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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