scubadog Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 As a wildfowler I find I am in a constant battle to stop the brass on cartridges rusting. I wondered if any one has any methods for portecting the cartridges from rusting? I currently use a water prrof box and just take out the cartridges I need. Perhaps varnishing the brass or something similier might work? I have seen some remingtion shells that have wax on the crimp - I guess this protects the steel shot from water ingregress. Does any one have any experience with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 My cartridges also suffer from this.Dropping wax on the crimp end looks ok as seen on the remingtons. But brass rust is a different story as adding varnish or coatings to the brass may cause jams in the chamber after expansion. Like you said only take out what you use will help. Currently i have 23 slightly rusty carts ready to go out but my auto is rather fussy so will use in my spare auto. At the moment i buy gambore super steel as you can see rust forming on the shot as they are clear. other than that tap crimp end then shake cart if it dosent rattle dont use. Well that what i was told..Good look in your quest for anti rusting brasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 i know on the old Baikal carts, the crimp used to be melted where they joined ,might just pay to keep them in the dry bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I think we all have loads of iffy shells. A bit of rust on the brass can be removed with a green abrasive but contaminated primers are another matter, powder also degrades if exposed to damp. My plan is if they are quite young still cut the shot out of a couple to check for rust, clean the brass off and use them or chuck them- renering them safe is an issue so they are building up now. A true waterproof box carried onto the marsh with reserves and no more than 1/2 dozen in a belt under your waders is maybee a decent plan, this way if they get wet and you dont get much shooting in you aint wasted a belt full. Taking more of them from the box on the marsh though can introduce nasties to the box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 This is an interesting thread, I also have experienced this problem, must be something out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 i know on the old Baikal carts, the crimp used to be melted where they joined ,might just pay to keep them in the dry bag what and just wave at the passing Ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I use a waterproof box and then bung 5/6 in my pocket when i get in place, then when back to the car, a quick wipe on a dry cloth and back in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) i know on the old Baikal carts, the crimp used to be melted where they joined ,might just pay to keep them in the dry bag Tried this but when the flight is on, and you cant be fussing around in a dry bag. Also tried putting 25 carts in seperate plastic bags 3 in each at a time.ok if nothing is flighting. Edited October 14, 2012 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I just use wire wool or scotchbrite to keep it at bay don't let them get to bad I keep mine in ziplock bags and only ever have a handful out at a time by the time they start to rust they should have been shot by then unless I'm damn unlucky the problem is waiting until the following season don't think there is any cure apart from only using a few at a time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I think we all have loads of iffy shells. A bit of rust on the brass can be removed with a green abrasive but contaminated primers are another matter, powder also degrades if exposed to damp. My plan is if they are quite young still cut the shot out of a couple to check for rust, clean the brass off and use them or chuck them- renering them safe is an issue so they are building up now. A true waterproof box carried onto the marsh with reserves and no more than 1/2 dozen in a belt under your waders is maybee a decent plan, this way if they get wet and you dont get much shooting in you aint wasted a belt full. Taking more of them from the box on the marsh though can introduce nasties to the box Thats good because if you get to hot and fancy a dip you will only get 6 carts wet. to my club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Reading reloading manuals I repeatedly read that the brass is not important to the cartirdige. According to RCBS manual the brass doesnt even need to be there! i think i read that one brand even had an expermiental cartridge that never took off that had no brass at all. Shame really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Thats good because if you get to hot and fancy a dip you will only get 6 carts wet. to my club yep, and i can confirm you can actually swim in neo chesties, big deycoy sack on your back with gun slung over your shoulder. It just takes a cool head- next time i am putting the sack on one shoulder only though crossing deeper water! It must be easier in the light of day without a daft lab swiming circles round you though........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedpan39 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 If you wear dentures like me, save the denture tablet tubes. They are waterproof, cost nothing and hold 3x70mil cartridges very snuggly. If you have an open cup cartridge belt it can hold 75 cartridges instead of 25. Weird looking mind !!! :-). Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 what and just wave at the passing Ducks if you care to know a lot of fowlers keep there carts in a plastic zip bag ,or just inside there waders ,but this chap is already doing this ,KENT old chap why dont you give us YOUR answers on this AS you seem to know EVERYTHING about shooting OR you could just keep quite lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I put 15 carts in a sort of Tupperware box thing clean unused carts and put them back if I need more carts then I've had a good morning and should have enough in the bag !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 What about a squirt of silicone spray on the bases? Perhaps a wipe with WD40? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 What about a squirt of silicone spray on the bases? Perhaps a wipe with WD40? Probably a wipe with a car wax polish would be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Try dipping the cartridge in shellac,that`s what was used on paper cases to make them water resistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 i`ve heard of a spray on laquer, but never sed them. seal the cartridges in plastic bags. 10 at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 if you care to know a lot of fowlers keep there carts in a plastic zip bag ,or just inside there waders ,but this chap is already doing this ,KENT old chap why dont you give us YOUR answers on this AS you seem to know EVERYTHING about shooting OR you could just keep quite lol sorry, life on mars is obviously very different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 The really clever idea has not gone unnoticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 guys, I'll admit I've never been wildfowling but i have experience on keeping things dry in damp and waterlogged conditions from time sailing in my past . I've two suggestions if you want something to be completely water tight double bag it ( ziploc bag inside another ziploc bag )and avoid cross contamination so have your reserve shells in your bag or pocket in groups 3 shells doublebagged each group separately double bagged before you get to the marsh. Another way of doing this could be using a vacuum packing machine to waterproof the carts in groups of three shells ( the machine is not cheap but also usefull for preparing your gamebag for the freezer and the machine and cost could quite readily be shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 The really clever idea has not gone unnoticed. Ye use brass for the brass it doesn't rust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Ye use brass for the brass it doesn't rust. I would think that was the best idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 sorry, life on mars is obviously very different lol i take that as you dont know then ,mabe you should just keep waving at the ducks then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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