Dunkield Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 We walk our dog off the lead, and mainly on public footpaths. Now where we walk him is straight through the middle of a medium sized mixed partridge and pheasant shoot. We do eveything we can to stop him from chasing birds, but being a JRT it is just in the blood, and on the odd occasions he does go after one but they <just> get away. Luckily, he has never caught one. Having seen what happens to rats and rabbits there is no doubt whatsoever it would result in fairly instant death (of the bird!) But, if he did, and the bird was on the public footpath, what are legal implications of him killing a game bird whilst off the lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karl h Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 not quite sure mate we have a footpath go through the middle of one of our shoots and I know the law is if the dog only must be off a lead if under control and by footpath they mean one person width and no more it is a very grey area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenbears10 Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Is the dog always on the footpath when chasing the birds? If he steps off the footpath he would be on private land and I know of more than one person who has had a dog shot by a gamkeeeper because it was chasing (not even killing) game birds. I'd be careful when you are walking through the shoot. If nothing else if your dog does get shot it will be a bit late to prove you were within your rights on the footpath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Round here any dog caught chasing game by the keepers would most likely...disappear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Thanks guys, I guess for the next few weeks at leaast while there are thousands of those 'posh chickens' about he will have to back on the lead, just to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
^mimic^ Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 (edited) Shooting someones dog Make the owner pay for the damages, theres no need to break the law or get yourself into trouble with the rspca or shoot an animal because of its wreckless owner. Just call the police count up your lost animals (which would be shot anyway) add up the bill and forward it. Edited October 1, 2006 by henry d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Stuart I have the same predicament, my two JRT's are nearly 4 now and have been beating since they were about 3 months old At this time of year they can be very difficult as the birds don't fly that strongly they can look wounded and like the dogs stand a chance of catching them. One of mine is spot on and as soon as you say leave will stop chasing and come back. the other one won't. I beat on the estate where I walk them and to save embarrasment they go on leads where I suspect they are most likely to see birds and when they do see birds they get told to sit and calm down. Its a close thing and depends on the terrier whether they simply chase till there is nothing left to chase and ignore you or whether they put the bird up and come back to your call. If you've got one that disappears and won't come back till its ready then its tricky and i'd keep it on the lead this early in the season and then later on start letting him off more so he gets more use to birds. Mine do catch the odd one not often but it does happen and have even been known to catch rabbits while on the lead keepers do disapear the odd one but in my experience its **** keepers that do it and its only likely when the dog is on its own. To shoot the dog when you're there would get them into a whole heap of trouble. Good luck though you're going to need it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Please don't start the whole shooting dogs thing again. It can only be done as a last resort. If the owner is there and is recovering the dog then it is illegal for anyone, keeper or not to shoot it. Surely it would be easier to keep your dogs onleads while there is game around, or teach them to stop when they flush something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 I don't think there is any chance of him being shot, it just isn't like that round my way, if it was I would just take the 6.5 with me when we went out (joke) I know other owners whose dogs have had the odd bird, but as I know how hard these peole work to get the birds ready for guns, and how much a lost bird would cost, I just don't like him chasing them. Once thay have shot at and missed a few times they might get back in the cover where they belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 mimic Unfortunatley, the problem doesnt end with a few dead birds, and who pays for them. On our shoot, one wood has one boundary with a public footpath Dogs wandering around or chasing birds cause them to wander to avoid the dogs. The birds wander onto another shoot and are probably lost for good. Personally I feel that dogs in public places should be on a lead, no excuses. Even the best trained dogs can go off on one. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 We walk our dog off the lead, and mainly on public footpaths.Now where we walk him is straight through the middle of a medium sized mixed partridge and pheasant shoot. We do eveything we can to stop him from chasing birds, but being a JRT it is just in the blood, and on the odd occasions he does go after one but they <just> get away. Luckily, he has never caught one. Having seen what happens to rats and rabbits there is no doubt whatsoever it would result in fairly instant death (of the bird!) But, if he did, and the bird was on the public footpath, what are legal implications of him killing a game bird whilst off the lead? wot a stupid question stuartp get your dog on a lead rite away and dont spoil other folks shooting some keeper has spent alot of time raising those birds cheers have a nice daykirky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 We walk our dog off the lead, and mainly on public footpaths.Now where we walk him is straight through the middle of a medium sized mixed partridge and pheasant shoot. We do eveything we can to stop him from chasing birds, but being a JRT it is just in the blood, and on the odd occasions he does go after one but they <just> get away. Luckily, he has never caught one. Having seen what happens to rats and rabbits there is no doubt whatsoever it would result in fairly instant death (of the bird!) But, if he did, and the bird was on the public footpath, what are legal implications of him killing a game bird whilst off the lead? You would be out of order Stuart, end of story mate LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadSpringer Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Personally I feel that dogs in public places should be on a lead, no excuses. Even the best trained dogs can go off on one. webber Sensible answer!!!!!!!!!! If you can't control the dog or trust it 100%, keep on the lead! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Kirkys reply was over the top, wasn't it kirky? Read this tomorrow morning mate Please LB yes lb as ever i got a little over the top my apoligies to all but i have helped and see all the hard work keepers put into there pheasants and partridges no one should let there dog rome free around them sorry once again am away shooting pigeons cant get into trouble doing that kirky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I have deleted a few, "late night", posts from this thread, that went a bit too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Blimey ladies! Pity i missed the p***ed ramblings, emotional stuff or what . . I will keep him on the lead 'till they all get shot, we were getting bit fed up of game pie anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 not getting into this argument but. most of this is wrong. ITs not important should a game keeper shoot a dog the result for them would be the loss of their game all together, the loss of their Fac and also some time in jail. not to mention compesation and legal fee's so if i were you i would advise them to think very carefully about the reprocutions before doing something so stupid. Intentionaly killing a pet dog, Result upto 5 years in prison. Conviction for animal crewlty / abuse , Result in your game licence being revoked. Shooting an animal illegaly , Result loss of your FAC/SGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
^mimic^ Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 not getting into this argument but. most of this is wrong. Game keepers allowed Resonable force nothing more. The laws of trespace only apply if the owner of the dog intentional sent or escorted the dog onto the land if it strayed by its own you are only allowed by the law to scare it away. (resonable force) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Game keepers allowed Resonable force nothing more. you dont have to be a game keeper to shoot dogs doing damage to stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Ok, I think stuartp has been deluged with enough answers to his question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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