pegasus bridge Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 £25 is not a huge amount, and reading the positive posts from members who have been and had good days he is clearly not a con artist. If you wanted guaranteed moving targets it might have been better to go clay pigeon shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 £25 IS a lot of money to me! 5 boxes of cartridges? A nice bottle of champagne? 5 overage bottles of wine? New cartridge bag/belt? Meal for two in a country pub? A years worth of dog treats? .......I'd buy all of these for twenty five quid. A day sat in the corner of a field, doing nothing but freezing my stones off, nah thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipmiester Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not moaning bout the **** day I sucked that up it was the fact of the txt to a pal saying I had a great day .... Not moaning anymore jus being lied to is not nice especially paying to be lied to I ent saying there has been big bags or he ok but y lie about numbers I could of got more than that on my own permission I'm not stuck for land to sit on lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not moaning bout the **** day I sucked that up it was the fact of the txt to a pal saying I had a great day .... Not moaning anymore jus being lied to is not nice especially paying to be lied to I ent saying there has been big bags or he ok but y lie about numbers I could of got more than that on my own permission I'm not stuck for land to sit on lol ..and you'd have £25 plus the petrol money to spend on thermal undies lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 there must have been alot of people who have had a day with him and this is the first bad post about it, if he is lying to people about numbers shot to get people to go then thats wrong but as any shooter will know birds can be there one day and gone the next, theres no guarantees in pigeon shooting. I dont think hes a con man as he would have been caught out long before now if he was just putting people in fields with little chance of shooting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 there must have been alot of people who have had a day with him and this is the first bad post about it, if he is lying to people about numbers shot to get people to go then thats wrong but as any shooter will know birds can be there one day and gone the next, theres no guarantees in pigeon shooting. I dont think hes a con man as he would have been caught out long before now if he was just putting people in fields with little chance of shooting anything. The point isn't that the birds didn't come to that field, it's the fact that no alternative was given when no birds arrived! For anyone who thinks that £25 isn't a lot of money to spend on shooting no pigeons, feel free to pm me with details of when you would like me to set you up on a field with no chance of a shot. I'd be more than happy to take your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 No bird is just tough luck, but to then lie to someone to sell a day saying you had a great day when you didn't is just not cricket and if the guy sees this then he ought to comment and justify his actions (not sure how) and try to clear his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 £25 is not a lot of money for a days guided pigeon shooting. My club had a draw last year and I offered a days pigeon shooting . 3 guns won a days pigeon shooting. They all bid in excess of £100 for the day. We had a hell of a job to find any pigeons on the first day and as I was about to offer the guy an alternet day we stumbled on a nice flock feeding on clover. He had about 100 shots and ended up with 50 birds. The second guy shot the same field 2 weeks later. Plenty of pigeons , but he was not a very experianced pigeon shot. never the less for 40 shots he managed 9. The final guy set on rape and he had about 30 shots for 25 birds. I was pleased to find the guys some good shooting but it took a lot of fieldwork to find the birds on 2 of the days. Fields that had been blue with pigeons were empty and the weather did not help , being windless. If you are paying for pigeon shooting the guy should at least have a couple of alternitive fields to offer you in the event of the first being emplty of birds , but with wild birds you can never be sure what they are going to do. Exactly! You took the time to find a day's pigeon shooting for the people who have paid. You didn't just get them set up on a field where there was little chance of a shot. £25 is a lot of money in that case. If i was a the person who took the £25, i would be a little bit ashamed. I feel bad enough when i line up a day with a mate and we shoot less than 50! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The irony that I'm watching 'Scam City' on TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The point isn't that the birds didn't come to that field, it's the fact that no alternative was given when no birds arrived! For anyone who thinks that £25 isn't a lot of money to spend on shooting no pigeons, feel free to pm me with details of when you would like me to set you up on a field with no chance of a shot. I'd be more than happy to take your money. bet you don,t get many takers lost count of the times i have seen birds on a field or flightline one day then turn up up next day or couple of days later to find nothing thats pigeons, but if your paying, some effort has to be made to put you on them its that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hear hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scraptofthillfarm Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I am offering pigeon shooting in Leicester and must say this is nothing to do with me. I feel for both sides. All my life I have dreaded seeing pigeons eating my rape. But now I get nervous if there arn't enough and I have someone coming shooting. The important thing is not to over promise. It is perfectly possible for there to be 1000 pigeons one day and none the next, and I completely understand how frustrating that can be. This morning There were hundreds on our rape, but I couldn't guarantee them tomorrow. (I could show you the damage they have done though) This sounds like a situation where two decent people have had a communication breakdown. And the frustrating days make the good days all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipmiester Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Sorry to worry you scrapofthehillfarm no nothin to do with u jus the lies the guy said cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I think the moral of the story is : we shouldn't have to pay to offer free pest control. We jump through hoops to get our certificates, invest in expensive security measures, buy expensive guns, gear, clothing and decoys. Then there's hides, cartridges and fuel to get there, not to mention our time. We do the biz and help you out. Your farms are productive and profitable as a result. Why should we have to pay to make your business work? If I needed some stuff delivering should I ask a learner driver to pay me to take it so he can get so experience at what he loves, driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipmiester Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 True to say my pal is a pest controller trade his job and lively hood comes from this and he was disgusted to hear I paid cuz it's doing him out of a job and I'm paying to pest control bassically I got a slapped bum from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 True to say my pal is a pest controller trade his job and lively hood comes from this and he was disgusted to hear I paid cuz it's doing him out of a job and I'm paying to pest control bassically I got a slapped bum from him At least you got something for your 25 bucks then lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scraptofthillfarm Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Speaking up for the farmers. I charge because there is a market. I feel the sport has reached a tipping point where there are more shooters than land. And I always end up spending a fair bit of time showing people round and ferrying around on the quad ( I love it though) and there is an opportunity cost to my time (albeit a very small one) I understand this is a contentious subject, but I can assure you I am not a fat cat farmer, I am just trying to offer a good deal for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 At least you got something for your 25 bucks then lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Speaking up for the farmers. I charge because there is a market. I feel the sport has reached a tipping point where there are more shooters than land. And I always end up spending a fair bit of time showing people round and ferrying around on the quad ( I love it though) and there is an opportunity cost to my time (albeit a very small one) I understand this is a contentious subject, but I can assure you I am not a fat cat farmer, I am just trying to offer a good deal for both parties. Fair comment, but what if we all stop buying whatever it is you grow because we can grow enough for our own families in our back gardens, the spend the money we save on commercially produced food on clay shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You had a rubbish day, you were not happy with the service provided so why did you pay? Finding your posts a little tricky to follow but you are saying the said fella text you after Sunday saying some lads had a great day and you should come again? How Much land we talking about and how many folks did he have out shooting. There seems to be a few huge flocks of pigeon in this area at present and can be on anyone of many fields any said day. It's not unknown for farmers to go out and kick em off. Can't please everyone all off the time. Karpman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) You had a rubbish day, you were not happy with the service provided so why did you pay? Finding your posts a little tricky to follow but you are saying the said fella text you after Sunday saying some lads had a great day and you should come again? How Much land we talking about and how many folks did he have out shooting. There seems to be a few huge flocks of pigeon in this area at present and can be on anyone of many fields any said day. It's not unknown for farmers to go out and kick em off. Can't please everyone all off the time. Karpman In short, having read everything thoroughly! He paid, the went to shoot, ****** all there. Went home. Pal of his enquires about shooting same area the next day, land owner bigs it up saying that yesterday's customer, the OP shot shed loads. Thus dischuffed. Edited December 5, 2012 by Salty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scraptofthillfarm Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Salty, I think we will just have to agree to disagree. All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peejay Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 why didnt you have a word with him? suggest that he gives you a freebie towards harvest time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 take it as a lesson learned zipmiester. in future put the money in your fuel tank, have a drive round and take some good binoculars. most of the good bags posted on here by the likes of pigeon controler and a few others are generally acheived by doing plenty of groundwork and if necesary driving many miles and calling on farmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure me and a mate have had a day out with the same guy and whilst we didn't have a great day as the birds were very decoy shy and frankly my shooting was appalling on the day I don't believe this guy was intentially trying mislead us. When we turned up at the field he told us the previous day there must have been 1000+ on it and this was also verified by another guy who shoots the area and had stopped by for a chat. This guy set up down the other end of the field for a few hours but also had a **** day but was a much better pigeon shooter than I will ever be and is local. The guy who sorted us out also had another couple of guys shooting with him on another piece of land and they also struggled to get a decent bag I personally think it was just one of those things and it probably doesn't help if the same fields are being shot regularly. There were tons of blackies on the field we shot and they wouldn't come within 100yds of the pattern and were very spooky. I would probably go again as I'm very limited with permission and time to scout fields myself and at the end of the day you take your chances. I've paid more to fish lakes and catch nowt but your targeting wild creatures that are unpredictable so we really shouldn't be surprised. Edited December 5, 2012 by Wiggum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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