Will Poon Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm sure you've all seen it now on tv , very very sad for the children lost in the shooting that's just happened , surely the president will seriously think about changing the gun laws . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxtond Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 all the us guys on another forum as in a panic. most are predicting a semi-auto ban and a high cap mag ban obama wants guns out of the hands of the US public and i don't think he will pass up this opportunity to push for a ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm sure you've all seen it now on tv , very very sad for the children lost in the shooting that's just happened , surely the president will seriously think about changing the gun laws What difference do you think more restrictive gun laws would make. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Well the US argument seems to be arm more people and they will shoot the shooter....... the Gun control lobby has shrunk in the last 20 years, the number of Concealed carry permits has grown. Easier to get than a UK SGC.......... http://www.denverpos...ion-scrutinized More concealed carry permits in florida than SGC in UK (and 1/3 the population) http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/us-usa-florida-guns-idUSBRE8BB1SR20121212?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22 Federal law supporting concealed carry against state legislation... http://www.huffingto..._n_2292585.html Edited December 14, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 What difference do you think more restrictive gun laws would make. ? well how many serious shootings have happened since Dunblane a very small comparison compared to the USA ?? Changing the gun law seems to have worked here, don't get me wrong im a serious gun fanatic being an air rifle to even a cannon ! But enough is enough sometimes and time has shown its worked here so why not over in the USA . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I would love to see conclusive and independent evidence that its made any difference in this country ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 What makes people go into schools and shoot children and how do you legislate that kind of aberration away? It seems such an utterly extraordinary thing to do you have to ask what is happening in American society to make this almost a routine crime. Its all very well introducing gun control which no doubt Obama at the start of a new term with the strength of a brand new mandate behind him will almost certainly do, but how has America come to specialise in this bizaare ritual? There must be something wrong beyond the proliferation of guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 well how many serious shootings have happened since Dunblane a very small comparison compared to the USA ?? Changing the gun law seems to have worked here, don't get me wrong im a serious gun fanatic being an air rifle to even a cannon ! But enough is enough sometimes and time has shown its worked here so why not over in the USA . I don't believe it has worked. I think we just 'work' in a different way to US society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 well how many serious shootings have happened since Dunblane Er loads... Raol Moat, Derrick Bird, Manchester where 2 police were shot, off the top of my head..... not too mantion all the gang and drug shootings gun crime is very low compared to the rest of the world, but the restrictions are dunblane have not stopped gun crime or spree killings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 well how many serious shootings have happened since Dunblane a very small comparison compared to the USA ?? Changing the gun law seems to have worked here, don't get me wrong im a serious gun fanatic being an air rifle to even a cannon ! But enough is enough sometimes and time has shown its worked here so why not over in the USA You are not comparing like with like the population of America is around 311,591,917 you would expect more shooting incidents. How has it worked here. A gunman killed at least 12 people in a shooting spree in Cumbria and injured another 25 before taking his own life. Even if you remove all legally owned firearms they can be got illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Er loads... Raol Moat, Derrick Bird, Manchester where 2 police were shot, off the top of my head..... not too mantion all the gang and drug shootings gun crime is very low compared to the rest of the world, but the restrictions are dunblane have not stopped gun crime or spree killings. thats 3 defiantly as the Manchester 2 police women are only a stones throw away from me and friend of a friend as well , compared to the USA it's not a patch on what they go though day in day out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I would love to see conclusive and independent evidence that its made any difference in this country ? It hasn't. Gun crime with illegal weapons is rife but for some reason in this country it is only crimes committed with licensed guns which attract any attention. Its like the scene in Carry on up the Khyber where they're being shelled as they eat dinner and everyone dusts themselves off politely pretends not to notice that the building is collapsing around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 thats 3 defiantly as the Manchester 2 police women are only a stones throw away from me and friend of a friend as well , compared to the USA it's not a patch on what they go though day in day out. there are lots more and the US is more like the whole of europe where generally the laws are less strict than the UK more so than the US. its not a clear comparison or anywhere near that simple. Gun crime actually rose after dunblane it didnt fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 This is not the time for either side to make their point. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 But surely it must make a difference if Obama makes a small change in the laws over there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 But surely it must make a difference if Obama makes a small change in the laws over there ? How exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 But surely it must make a difference if Obama makes a small change in the laws over there ? why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 we'll start with a gun amnesty,and take all the legal guns off the law abiding.And we'll end up with the same situation as the UK .Only the criminals will have them. NOT I feel more comfortable walking around here than I ever did in places like London,Manchester ,Newcastle or Liverpool.People are more tolerant here and most seem to mind there own business,yes you do get shootings,but it's no different to other places that have bad people that would do you harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Why and how , is a good question in what and if any changes will occur but im no politician so what can be resolved should be sorted ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingRebel Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 well how many serious shootings have happened since Dunblane a very small comparison compared to the USA ?? Changing the gun law seems to have worked here, don't get me wrong im a serious gun fanatic being an air rifle to even a cannon ! But enough is enough sometimes and time has shown its worked here so why not over in the USA . In what way shape or form has it "worked"? Overall gun crime, especially handgun crime has certainly not dropped since the bans, it has infact tripled. And mass shootings have always been an absolute rarity throughout British history, even before the semi-auto and handgun bans, Hungerford was really the first of its kind for this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) You know what would be productive? If everyone stopped jerking each other off about gun laws and started talking about putting more money into identifying and treating mental illness, ever more so in a country with no national health care system. But that would not only be an intellegent conversation to have, but also rational and productive use of our time and intelligence, so I know that this comment will be mostly ignored on this forum, and ever more so in the states. Edited December 15, 2012 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock & Barrel Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I'm sure you've all seen it now on tv , very very sad for the children lost in the shooting that's just happened , surely the president will seriously think about changing the gun laws . No, he won't. Here's two articles on why he won't. Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States and Why Gun control in the US is a myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I can't see any gun laws changing in the US. There are so many weapons out there and you can walk through places like Basspro with a supermarket trolley and load it up with ammo, if you can find it because it flies off the shelf. After 9/11 the ammo shelves emptied as quick as they stocked them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 the usa is a big place,how will they start two clean up the gun laws, so many guns out there and so easy two get a gun,the barns out there must be stacked up with them.on the family farm in michigan there is a lot of guns,you will all ways get the nut where ever you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 The issue is how easily the nut gets hold of a gun. In this case his mothers guns it really does make you question leaving them lying about with no form of safe keeping. That said they believe more guns keep them safer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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