Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Please bear with me this may be a silly question, but I always thought .22LR was good for vermin control, as it was very quiet. I have a CZ 452 with a moderator, however it would be far to noisy for rabbits. Is it just the ammo im using, will subsonic mean its a lot quieter. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 yes .22 subs are ideal for vermn what moderator are you using ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Please bear with me this may be a silly question, but I always thought .22LR was good for vermin control, as it was very quiet. I have a CZ 452 with a moderator, however it would be far to noisy for rabbits. Is it just the ammo im using, will subsonic mean its a lot quieter. Thanks in advance. you want subsonics if you want it to be quiet if its noisy i would guess you are using hv rouns, subs are generally more accurate too colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 if you use subsonic shells, and you have a moderator you shouldnt hear much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) With subsonic ammunition there is a big difference - a 'phutt' instead of a crack. You can only really hear the firing pin and the bullet hitting the target. Edited December 30, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Definately a crack, so I assume they are not subsonic rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Please bear with me this may be a silly question, but I always thought .22LR was good for vermin control, as it was very quiet. I have a CZ 452 with a moderator, however it would be far to noisy for rabbits. Is it just the ammo im using, will subsonic mean its a lot quieter. Thanks in advance. do you have expanding ammo on your ticket, or just target rounds from the way you have asked the question, I take it you have not used this anywhere other than a club, so do you have an open ticket, or have you added a permission to your cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 do you have expanding ammo on your ticket, or just target rounds from the way you have asked the question, I take it you have not used this anywhere other than a club, so do you have an open ticket, or have you added a permission to your cert I dont have expanding ammo, as I only have a range ticket. I have posted under general shooting ref shooting with someone with an open ticket,im told I can do this as long as I dont use my own gun. Bizarre. Clarity on this would be good.I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 how did you get a moderator then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 how did you get a moderator then? I asked for it when i applied for my fac. I applied for a mod for every rifle. Didn't seem to be an issue. People have argued h&s at our club when questioned. Now the fao's don't seem to even question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 how did you get a moderator then? Target shooters can have mods too.Quote hearing protection or reduced recoil (for 308 etc) and it will be granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I dont have expanding ammo, as I only have a range ticket. I have posted under general shooting ref shooting with someone with an open ticket,im told I can do this as long as I dont use my own gun. Bizarre. Clarity on this would be good.I Winchester produce subsonic solid ammunition which is whisper quiet with a sound moderator and pretty accurate too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Winchester produce subsonic solid ammunition which is whisper quiet with a sound moderator and pretty accurate too. Thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I picked up some ammo on Friday, stating that i didn't want expanding as its not covered on my ticket. When i got home i noticed the box said hollow point. I took it back the next day, and exchanged for some solid. They said it wasn't expanding even though it was hollow point. Has anyone experienced this before, were they correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I always thought hollow point was expanding. I'm surprised they sold it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hollow point IS expanding and you should have that option on your fac-you should also use it for vermin as it kills much more cleanly.My cz prefers Eley subs or RWS-you will not get better ammo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Hollow point IS expanding and you should have that option on your fac-you should also use it for vermin as it kills much more cleanly.My cz prefers Eley subs or RWS-you will not get better ammo . Read post below. I dont have expanding ammo, as I only have a range ticket. I have posted under general shooting ref shooting with someone with an open ticket,im told I can do this as long as I dont use my own gun. Bizarre. Clarity on this would be good.I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 My respose was in relation to the OP's 6th reply,luckshot-the rest was just general advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Winchester subs all the way for me, well priced, consistant and deadly. The noisiest part of my 22lr setup is that of the round hitting the target. Hollow point is expanding, they sold you that by mistake and tried to cover their tracks by saying it isnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Winchester subs all the way for me, well priced, consistant and deadly. The noisiest part of my 22lr setup is that of the round hitting the target. Hollow point is expanding, they sold you that by mistake and tried to cover their tracks by saying it isnt Thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Would the best way forward to be to get your ticket altered to cover you to shoot vermin and small ground game with your .22LR - Assuming of course that you have a permission to shoot vermin and small ground game on. Then you could ask for and would get "Expanding Ammunition" put on your ticket and could buy any make or brand of "Hollow Point" or "Expanding Ammunioion" that your gun fired accurately. I believe that I am right in saying that if you do not have "Expanding Ammunition" on your ticket you should never have been sold "Hollow Points" by any Gun Shop or RFD! I use Magtech Hollow Points which are extremely accurate in my little Browning Pumper with a SAK moderator and you can hardly hear the actual shot - The bullet impacting on a rabbit is much louder than the shot itself! Edited December 31, 2012 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Obtaining permissions appears easier said than done. Even trying to go along to assist on someone elses permission is not easy. I thought this would be the easiest way, get known by the Farmers then ask about permissions in my own right, but it appears people are quite rightly protective of ther permissions. Still persistance will pay off eventually. Edited December 31, 2012 by Rogc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I was always under the impression that solid lead was exactly that. it is certainly not considered expanding ammo for centre fire so I would struggle to see how it could be for rimfire, hollow point or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Please bear with me this may be a silly question, but I always thought .22LR was good for vermin control, as it was very quiet. I have a CZ 452 with a moderator, however it would be far to noisy for rabbits. Is it just the ammo im using, will subsonic mean its a lot quieter. Thanks in advance. As others have said; subsonic is a lot quieter than HV through a moderator because with HV you're hearing the bullet breaking the sound barrier more than the actual gunshot. Even with subs though, most rabbits will respond to the sound of your shot and the sound of your bullet impacting the rabbit next to them. Rabbits also have a habit of twitching/flipping all over the place when headshot and this can spook the other rabbits too. The more you shoot a particular piece of land, the more the rabbits will associate your activity with danger and respond to it. As your FAC is for target, I'd be very surprised if you've never used subsonic .22LR's. They're generally more accurate, quieter and the standard for most clubs. Some target match ammo is hollowpoint but not designed to expand, whilst some hunting solid points are designed to fragment. Ballistics is a complicated game but to be safe, stick to solids until you have the expanding condition on your ticket. Your RFD was mad to sell you hollowpoints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) do you have expanding ammo on your ticket, or just target rounds from the way you have asked the question, I take it you have not used this anywhere other than a club, so do you have an open ticket, or have you added a permission to your cert I use my CZ455 for rabbits, and very accurate it is too. I use Wini Subs as it likes these best. Not had a problem with them. It is whisper quiet and the first thing the bunny knows is when the bullet hits. You will need to use hollow points though. They are expanding and my feo made the stipulation that I use them for hunting. I have a Sak mod on the front and a mate recons it is quieter than a spring air rifle. Edited January 4, 2013 by Uncle Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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