gixer1 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 If you have an FAC semiauto or pump action shotgun, and wanted to use it on Wildfowl, can you swap back to the original (2+1) mag tube and be deemed as legal? I know the likelyhood is it would never be checked but wonder how you would stand on this legally if checks were performed? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Only if you don't get caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 You can use a little rod that you place down the mag tube and this restricts the mag to 2+1. The Yanks do it for duck shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 but that still doesn't make it legal arm to use. I have a plug for mine since I had it since I was in the US. Legally it is a section 1 because it is not a permanent plug. I can pull the gun apart easily and remove the plug. in the US it has to be plugged such that the gun must be dismantled to remove the plug. here the definition is permanent. rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 but that still doesn't make it legal arm to use. I have a plug for mine since I had it since I was in the US. Legally it is a section 1 because it is not a permanent plug. I can pull the gun apart easily and remove the plug. in the US it has to be plugged such that the gun must be dismantled to remove the plug. here the definition is permanent. rick Ok, so basically once it's made I to a sect1 it can no longer be used for wildfowl unless you got an RFD to change it back? Seems a bit silly really as if you were a semi auto fan and shot a lot of pigeons and wildfowl you'd need to buy two guns which do the same thing! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 From what i was told by a RFD once any gun is registered as FAC it will always be FAC and cannot be changed back to non FAC ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 From what i was told by a RFD once any gun is registered as FAC it will always be FAC and cannot be changed back to non FAC ..... To get it back to 'non-FAC' status it has to go to the proof house to validate the restriction. Your RFD can mod a section 2 to become section 1, but can't convert one back once it's in the system (ie, on your FAC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 From what i was told by a RFD once any gun is registered as FAC it will always be FAC and cannot be changed back to non FAC ..... I was told the same by an RFD and my FEO too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I was told the same by an RFD and my FEO too. Not so - look at all the semi's and pumps that got restricted after Hungerford. It just needs to be 'proofed' (not the pressure test, just the restriction certified). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 To get it back to 'non-FAC' status it has to go to the proof house to validate the restriction. ...Is the correct answer. I bought an S.1 gun a few months ago and paid an extra 50 squids for conversion to S.2 and subsequent trip to the London proof house. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 It's a kind of silly law the whole section 1 and wildfowl thing - why not just say that you cannot use more than 3 carts when wildfowling - kind of like the law with using non-toxic shot... I can't see a good reason for it really! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 It's a kind of silly law the whole section 1 and wildfowl thing - why not just say that you cannot use more than 3 carts when wildfowling - kind of like the law with using non-toxic shot... I can't see a good reason for it really! Regards, Gixer That would be common sense mate, unfortunately not something that is used a lot when it comes to firearms regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) It's a kind of silly law the whole section 1 and wildfowl thing - why not just say that you cannot use more than 3 carts when wildfowling - kind of like the law with using non-toxic shot... I can't see a good reason for it really! Regards, Gixer Yeah, I've just been looking through the Wildlife Countryside act 1981 for the exact wording, then realized you couldn't use your FAC shotgun anyhow (even if it was 2+1) as I'm sure the wording of the FAC shotgun conditions on your Certificate would prohibit it (The Shotgun shall be used the for taking of pests, or something like that) Edited February 8, 2013 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsmark Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I was told the same by an RFD and my FEO too. Told the same when i had an Airgun put on FAC, that once done it could'nt be returned to non FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 ...Is the correct answer. I bought an S.1 gun a few months ago and paid an extra 50 squids for conversion to S.2 and subsequent trip to the London proof house. Regards, Mark. Yeah one of the guys at my club did this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 You would think the law would be to either change the mag tube or use a removable mag plug. If the law stated this had to be done, then only a fool would risk his FAC and SGC shooting unlawfully. So easy and would mean one less purchase. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 You would think the law would be to either change the mag tube or use a removable mag plug. If the law stated this had to be done, then only a fool would risk his FAC and SGC shooting unlawfully. So easy and would mean one less purchase. Just my thoughts. Absolutely - I wonder if it's worth suggesting some common sense on this - is there an official place that such suggestions could be made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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