aris Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Bull..... Give us something to vote for. I'm not voting for any knobtwit just to vote. if i dont agree with what they have to say then im not voting, simples.. so i cant moan about the cr4p that others have voted in? he he I respectfully disagree with this stance. If you don't like anyone listed, you should still vote. Just spoil your vote. It sends a message. How do you spoil your vote? Easy - tick all the boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangled99 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 More cheese Grommit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 The problem is aris the core labour voters haven't forgotten they enjoy the benefits free for all and see massive employment by the state as the way forward. Those of us who work then have to pay for it along with the countries credit card. Labour will get in next time round and well think things are bad now you've seen nothing yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 More cheese Grommit Unfortunately you can't express this guys voice in a picture. I think his brother would have been a better choice to be honest. Very intelligent chap he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 The problem is aris the core labour voters haven't forgotten they enjoy the benefits free for all and see massive employment by the state as the way forward. Those of us who work then have to pay for it along with the countries credit card. Labour will get in next time round and well think things are bad now you've seen nothing yet You are assuming that Labour voters are all unemployed, elderly, or infirm. While some might be, that population group will not win them an election. They won the three last elections by swaying the middle classes - particularly women. They rode the tail of a worldwide economic boom, taxing and spending away, only to squander it and realise there was nothing left when the boom inevitably ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I respectfully disagree with this stance. If you don't like anyone listed, you should still vote. Just spoil your vote. It sends a message. How do you spoil your vote? Easy - tick all the boxes. Have you ever actually been to a count? All each candidate is interested in is if you have ticked their box, if you haven't they really couldn't give a toss and see such futile gestures as just a waste of their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 On the day - yes, all the at counts is the tick in the box. But the parties employ strategists - they see votes for minority parties and a large number of spoiled votes as an opportunity to gain new votes in future elections. If your attitude is 'that nothing will ever change anyway, so I can't be ***** to vote' - then I suppose not much will change your opinion of democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 The trouble with people voting UKIP is its taking votes away from the Conservatives predominantly. So in effect it becomes a default vote for labour. And we don't want those Wayne Kerrs back in power, I don't think the country could stand it. I agree but at some point the balance starts to tip. The Tories cannot keep playing this card, they have to face the challenge and change or else..... Its UKIP for me too for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 You are assuming that Labour voters are all unemployed, elderly, or infirm. While some might be, that population group will not win them an election. They won the three last elections by swaying the middle classes - particularly women. They rode the tail of a worldwide economic boom, taxing and spending away, only to squander it and realise there was nothing left when the boom inevitably ended. If the EU Commission (or 'college' as it is now calling itself) gets its way, which it will because MEPs are not allowed to vote on edicts from the Commission, EU immigrants will be able to vote in 2015 and turkeys seldom vote for Christmas. Whether it is Cameron or a Lib-Lab marriage made in Hell who form the next government is largely irrelevent since both will run headlong into the arms of the EU. All the main political parties except UKIP have pledged to keep Britain in the EU, pretty much at any cost. Cameron has deliberately disabled his referendum by wrapping in in a renegotiation caveat. Renegotiation on terms of membership is constitutionally impossible in the EU and Cameron knows it. Only if UKIP secure a decisive share of the vote and the anti-European genie is irreversibly released from the bottle will that train be derailled. Which consortium of snivelling self-serving intellectual lightweights who currently squat on the front benches get to play with the levers of State between now and Britain's withdrawal from the EU is neither here nor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 If the EU Commission (or 'college' as it is now calling itself) gets its way, which it will because MEPs are not allowed to vote on edicts from the Commission, EU immigrants will be able to vote in 2015 and turkeys seldom vote for Christmas. Whether it is Cameron or a Lib-Lab marriage made in Hell who form the next government is largely irrelevent since both will run headlong into the arms of the EU. All the main political parties except UKIP have pledged to keep Britain in the EU, pretty much at any cost. Cameron has deliberately disabled his referendum by wrapping in in a renegotiation caveat. Renegotiation on terms of membership is constitutionally impossible in the EU and Cameron knows it. Only if UKIP secure a decisive share of the vote and the anti-European genie is irreversibly released from the bottle will that train be derailled. Which consortium of snivelling self-serving intellectual lightweights who currently squat on the front benches get to play with the levers of State between now and Britain's withdrawal from the EU is neither here nor there. Sums it up pretty well. It'll probably be UKIP for me at the next election. They may not form a government but just having an all right number of seats would put them in a better position of power than what they have at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Whatever happens at the next election cameron will have done his job of keeping the peasants at bay for another few years. The whole damn lot of them deserve the noose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Sums it up pretty well. It'll probably be UKIP for me at the next election. They may not form a government but just having an all right number of seats would put them in a better position of power than what they have at the moment. UKIP will not gain seats. They will draw votes away from conservative candidates and in marginal seats leave a clear run for labour victories. The UKIP vote is too thinly spread across the country for a fptp system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 UKIP will not gain seats. They will draw votes away from conservative candidates and in marginal seats leave a clear run for labour victories. The UKIP vote is too thinly spread across the country for a fptp system. Labour voters will vote for UKIP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Labour voters will vote for UKIP too. Not in the numbers required to impact labour stronghold seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Not in the numbers required to impact labour stronghold seats. The point is that if we just keep voting for the same old shower of **** nothing will change, and time is against us. Whether Labour or the Tories get in is irrelevant whilst neither is listening, and the only way you will get real change is by forcing the issue. That means placing your vote elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Again, it doesn't matter who 'wins' the election. Parliament is no longer sovereign. If Ukip reach a critical mass, measured in voters not seats, an in-out referendum on EU membership becomes unavoidable. Cameron's illusory referendum pledge was an attempt at avoidance. Sitsinhedges has beaten me too it. He is right. It is a question of forcing the issue. It is despicable treachery on the part of those who sit in privilege over us that the country should forced to these tactics. Edited February 20, 2013 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Sitsinhedges is dead right you cant vote for a shower of **** you have to vote elsewhere Edited February 20, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 thats the part i hate about voters in this country, I dont like blue so i vote red, i dont like red so i vote blue and then people dont vote for who they really want because it wont get the Idiots" out of office they dont like. people need to vote for who they believe in and by the sounds of it people like UKIP on here but some wont vote for them because its a "wasted vote" Can someone start a pidgeon watch mock election poll thingy and we can all see who we would vote for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 UKIP all the way-its just a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) UKIP sound good because they are able to say what people want to hear, thats just marketing gloss its not politics. Labour strongholds are traditional areas of high unemployment, immigration and benefits dependency. These people are never going to vote for UKIP, Labour have bought them off with their lax benefits policies over the years. Voting UKIP sounds like a great protest vote but its Labour who will gain. Edited February 21, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 thats the part i hate about voters in this country, I dont like blue so i vote red, i dont like red so i vote blue and then people dont vote for who they really want because it wont get the Idiots" out of office they dont like. people need to vote for who they believe in and by the sounds of it people like UKIP on here but some wont vote for them because its a "wasted vote" Can someone start a pidgeon watch mock election poll thingy and we can all see who we would vote for I think we'd do that when it comes closer to the general election. And avoiding voting UKIP because you think it is a protest vote, or only Labour will benefit, is not a good idea: The point is that if we just keep voting for the same old shower of **** nothing will change, and time is against us. Whether Labour or the Tories get in is irrelevant whilst neither is listening, and the only way you will get real change is by forcing the issue. That means placing your vote elsewhere. If people continue to vote for the three main parties, nothing will change. If people vote for other parties, it may or may not be a protest vote for a while until they gain more support, but at least there is a better chance of change than if people continue to vote for the three main parties. If people vote for other parties such as UKIP, then there is nothing to lose, but potentially, a lot to gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) If people continue to vote for the three main parties, nothing will change. If people vote for other parties, it may or may not be a protest vote for a while until they gain more support, but at least there is a better chance of change than if people continue to vote for the three main parties. If people vote for other parties such as UKIP, then there is nothing to lose, but potentially, a lot to gain. -quote from Reece. Well said!..vote for what you want, don't be put off by the "oh it's a wasted vote" lobby...if enough people follow their heart, there will be change..for me, UKIP Edited February 21, 2013 by Gunnerbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 theres nothing new there when i studied for my ships officers qualifications back in 2004 at the nautical college i attended my class of 25 was made up of myself and irish gentleman and 23 indians and pakistani's who dont get on very well apparently vote monster raving loony mate i can't see em doing a worse job than either the tories or labour! sod voting lib dem as i dont fancy goin to work on a bike!! (i'll get wet i work on an oil rig) It was the Libyans in the 80s !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 If people continue to vote for the three main parties, nothing will change. If people vote for other parties, it may or may not be a protest vote for a while until they gain more support, but at least there is a better chance of change than if people continue to vote for the three main parties. If people vote for other parties such as UKIP, then there is nothing to lose, but potentially, a lot to gain. -quote from Reece. Well said!..vote for what you want, don't be put off by the "oh it's a wasted vote" lobby...if enough people follow their heart, there will be change..for me, UKIP Yeah we could be run by a mini Stalin http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21355197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yeah we could be run by a mini Stalin http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-21355197 Jumping on to Camerons ship I would question her judgement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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