What would a Ukip Britain look like?

[Gordon R]

kdubya - nothing to argue with there.

[Scully]

I voted UKIP for many reasons after never having voted any other way other than Tory.

The biggest of these reasons is the Euro gravy train.I of course,realise that by voting Tory,I have by proxy,sanctioned the EU membership,but was anybody expecting it to become what it has?Really?I am sick and tired,to the back teeth, of funding this bottomless pit of self-gratifying,self-serving jobsworths whose books have never balanced.One particular example which sticks in my craw is the Kinnocks.Neil Kinnock was hopeless as a politician,and when usurped by his own country(I know he's Welsh)jumped ship and stuck his snout in the euro trough to the extent he is now a millionaire.Not content with this he got his wife a job in the trough also,and I believe she too is now a millionaire.They have become everything they despised about those in power back home.(UKIP policy is to leave the EU)I personally know my Conservative former MEP,and a more useless piece of ***** you couldn't hope to meet,but as he's titled gentry he used the job as a means to boost his income during the closed tourist season when visitors to his estate were low.That other minted tory Cameron states we're all in this together(meaning the current situation)Oh no we aint! I would love him to give me one example of how this current financial economic recession has had a negative effect on his way of life.Just one.

I am sick and tired of being let down by a judicial system which allows convicted murderers and serious sex offenders out of jail only to re-offend.(UKIP policy is for life to mean life).

I have nothing against immigration,so long as those coming here are prepared to work(perhaps we could swap for some of our locals who aren't...see how they get on in Poland etc)instead of being a drain on the welfare system,and on the understanding that they integrate into the community in general and society as a whole instead of living within their own communities to the exclusion of everything British except the benefits therein.

I could go on,but have probably bored enough people already,so that's it for now.These are my personal grievances,from someone who isn't aware of all the intricacies of the bigger picture,but who just despises corruption and injustice,lies and dishonesty more than just about anything.

Lack of policy and the means to deliver the policies they do have,is UKIP's problem.They wanted the job(and no doubt would carp themselves if they got it)it will be interesting to see what happens next.But I for one will be voting UKIP at the next General Election,even if it means letting Labour back in.....then the smelly stuff will really hit the fan.

[Oli]

I voted UKIP for many reasons after never having voted any other way other than Tory.

The biggest of these reasons is the Euro gravy train.I of course,realise that by voting Tory,I have by proxy,sanctioned the EU membership,but was anybody expecting it to become what it has?Really?I am sick and tired,to the back teeth, of funding this bottomless pit of self-gratifying,self-serving jobsworths whose books have never balanced.One particular example which sticks in my craw is the Kinnocks.Neil Kinnock was hopeless as a politician,and when usurped by his own country(I know he's Welsh)jumped ship and stuck his snout in the euro trough to the extent he is now a millionaire.Not content with this he got his wife a job in the trough also,and I believe she too is now a millionaire.They have become everything they despised about those in power back home.(UKIP policy is to leave the EU)I personally know my Conservative former MEP,and a more useless piece of ***** you couldn't hope to meet,but as he's titled gentry he used the job as a means to boost his income during the closed tourist season when visitors to his estate were low.That other minted tory Cameron states we're all in this together(meaning the current situation)Oh no we aint! I would love him to give me one example of how this current financial economic recession has had a negative effect on his way of life.Just one.

I am sick and tired of being let down by a judicial system which allows convicted murderers and serious sex offenders out of jail only to re-offend.(UKIP policy is for life to mean life).

I have nothing against immigration,so long as those coming here are prepared to work(perhaps we could swap for some of our locals who aren't...see how they get on in Poland etc)instead of being a drain on the welfare system,and on the understanding that they integrate into the community in general and society as a whole instead of living within their own communities to the exclusion of everything British except the benefits therein.

I could go on,but have probably bored enough people already,so that's it for now.These are my personal grievances,from someone who isn't aware of all the intricacies of the bigger picture,but who just despises corruption and injustice,lies and dishonesty more than just about anything.

Lack of policy and the means to deliver the policies they do have,is UKIP's problem.They wanted the job(and no doubt would carp themselves if they got it)it will be interesting to see what happens next.But I for one will be voting UKIP at the next General Election,even if it means letting Labour back in.....then the smelly stuff will really hit the fan.

 

+1

[Livefast123]

I voted UKIP for many reasons after never having voted any other way other than Tory.

The biggest of these reasons is the Euro gravy train.I of course,realise that by voting Tory,I have by proxy,sanctioned the EU membership,but was anybody expecting it to become what it has?Really?I am sick and tired,to the back teeth, of funding this bottomless pit of self-gratifying,self-serving jobsworths whose books have never balanced.One particular example which sticks in my craw is the Kinnocks.Neil Kinnock was hopeless as a politician,and when usurped by his own country(I know he's Welsh)jumped ship and stuck his snout in the euro trough to the extent he is now a millionaire.Not content with this he got his wife a job in the trough also,and I believe she too is now a millionaire.They have become everything they despised about those in power back home.(UKIP policy is to leave the EU)I personally know my Conservative former MEP,and a more useless piece of ***** you couldn't hope to meet,but as he's titled gentry he used the job as a means to boost his income during the closed tourist season when visitors to his estate were low.That other minted tory Cameron states we're all in this together(meaning the current situation)Oh no we aint! I would love him to give me one example of how this current financial economic recession has had a negative effect on his way of life.Just one.

I am sick and tired of being let down by a judicial system which allows convicted murderers and serious sex offenders out of jail only to re-offend.(UKIP policy is for life to mean life).

I have nothing against immigration,so long as those coming here are prepared to work(perhaps we could swap for some of our locals who aren't...see how they get on in Poland etc)instead of being a drain on the welfare system,and on the understanding that they integrate into the community in general and society as a whole instead of living within their own communities to the exclusion of everything British except the benefits therein.

I could go on,but have probably bored enough people already,so that's it for now.These are my personal grievances,from someone who isn't aware of all the intricacies of the bigger picture,but who just despises corruption and injustice,lies and dishonesty more than just about anything.

Lack of policy and the means to deliver the policies they do have,is UKIP's problem.They wanted the job(and no doubt would carp themselves if they got it)it will be interesting to see what happens next.But I for one will be voting UKIP at the next General Election,even if it means letting Labour back in.....then the smelly stuff will really hit the fan.

 

+1, Can't fall out with that

[Vince Green]

On the subject of immigration, without getting silly and keeping it factual and adult. Can anybody tell me any way at all that Britain has benefitted from immigration? I can think of many ways that it has been to our disadvantage but I genuinely can't think of a single thing to say yes we are better off because of it.

 

Sure, millions of people are living better lives because they came here, so its been good for them but that's not the question. What has Britain gained from it?

 

James O'Brian on LBC was (as usual) putting down UKIP and UKIP voters as racists and fruitcakes and said "and they want to stop immigration, that's ridiculous, we need immigration, its good for the country" and it got me wondering HOW is it good for the country?

 

Its a simple question, but the more I think about it the more I think we have been conned for decades.

Edited May 4, 2013 by Vince Green

[Gordon R]

A fair number of immigrants man our NHS.

 

Other than that, I am struggling. I could give you a fair sized list of the down side.

[Vince Green]

A fair number of immigrants man our NHS.

 

Other than that, I am struggling. I could give you a fair sized list of the down side.

The NHS is the one that's always quoted but its basically not true. Lots of our own young newly qualified young doctors and nurses can't find jobs in this country at the end of their training and are forced to look abroad. Canada is popular apparently. There is absolutely no justification in doctors coming here from abroad, they do so because we pay a lot more than other countries

 

Anyway, even if there was a skill shortage in this country the answer should be more training places for our own kids who are faced with real difficulty getting onto good courses. For every place at medical school there are at least twenty candidates with good enough qualifications applying.

Edited May 4, 2013 by Vince Green

[Gordon R]

Vince - in that case - I don't have any advantages.

[Clayduster]

There will still only be three main partys after the next election, UKIP , Tory and Labour. The Liberals are irrepairably damaged by this "Coalition" and will fade into the Labour group.

 

UKIP are traditional "True Blue" and the Tories will wallow in a mess of their own making lieing about looking after the interests of the "squeezed middle" whilst squeezing harder.

 

The only thing I like about Farage is that he will answer a straight question. People are sick of listening to non answers from the main party's and will swing towards honesty even though they may not agree.

 

Give me Tebbit, Widdecome or Benn,Skinner anytime rather than the snake oil salesmen of todays politicians.

[harry69koi]

I honestly believe labour will get back in next time around but think ukip will be a close second My way of thinking is Britain is for British whether your black,white or sodding pink B) we need to cut back on immigration,not because we want to but we need too we are only a small island in the end of the day

 

Lee

[castletyne]

On the subject of immigration, without getting silly and keeping it factual and adult. Can anybody tell me any way at all that Britain has benefitted from immigration? I can think of many ways that it has been to our disadvantage but I genuinely can't think of a single thing to say yes we are better off because of it.

 

Sure, millions of people are living better lives because they came here, so its been good for them but that's not the question. What has Britain gained from it?

 

James O'Brian on LBC was (as usual) putting down UKIP and UKIP voters as racists and fruitcakes and said "and they want to stop immigration, that's ridiculous, we need immigration, its good for the country" and it got me wondering HOW is it good for the country?

 

Its a simple question, but the more I think about it the more I think we have been conned for decades.

 

 

Indian Takeaways....Chinese takeaways

 

The only other would be people at the top of their game like Doctors...Inventors...Engineers and dare i say Bankers

 

Other than that i dont see any benefits to multiculturalism as one of the problems unlike many countries we have an NHS a benefit system and housing unlike most other places and it causes to much of a strain

Edited May 4, 2013 by castletyne

[Gimlet]

There will still only be three main partys after the next election, UKIP , Tory and Labour. The Liberals are irrepairably damaged by this "Coalition" and will fade into the Labour group.

 

UKIP are traditional "True Blue" and the Tories will wallow in a mess of their own making lieing about looking after the interests of the "squeezed middle" whilst squeezing harder.

 

The only thing I like about Farage is that he will answer a straight question. People are sick of listening to non answers from the main party's and will swing towards honesty even though they may not agree.

 

Give me Tebbit, Widdecome or Benn,Skinner anytime rather than the snake oil salesmen of todays politicians.

 

All those MPs are old fashioned conviction polticians, worthy of respect even if you don't share their political sympathies, and all of them are staunchly anti-EU. I very much doubt if that is a coincidence.

[Jim Sarakun]

 

I'll tell you how the UK is different to the EU. Britain is a proper country that has evolved through consent. It remains at heart, although this status has been temporarily suspended by the EU, a sovereign parliamentary democrcacy. The people of the UK have a right to vote out the people who make their laws. The Government of the UK is chosen by the people of the UK and by them alone. Or was.

The EU is a sovietised bureaucratic dictatorship. The people who make the laws are self-appointed and have no democratic mandate. They were not voted in and they cannot be voted out. And they cannot be held to account. The EU has brought economic and social turmoil, ruining the lives of millions of people. Greece is a failed state. It is utterly bankrupt. The people of Greece have no chance whatever of rebuilding their economy while their country remains a chattel of the EU. They have been sacrificed to satisfy the political vanity of a tiny cabal of unelected megalomaniacs. The EU is the most pernicious example of bureaucratic grand imperialism the continent has ever seen.

If you think the destruction of national identities, subjugation without representation and economic plundering in pursuit of a socialist distopia is a good idea then, yes, you are a European. But tens of millions of other British people, and millions more from other European countries who also want their sovereignty back, are emphatically not European and will never be while they have breath in their bodies.

Hear hear!!!

 

Having voted for the "Common Market" as a young man, I feel responsible for this self governed monster it has turned into but there is nothing I can do to change it.

 

You youngsters will know of it by it's new name, the EU.

 

UKIP, I and friends of my age, are watching closely. It seems they could be the answer, but the trade off it appears, will be that we will have to buy ourselves a houseboat.

 

Sweeping the global warming issue under the carpet, in my view is foolish. Much hard science on global warming due to mans activities, not diss similar to that which Al Gore exposes in his 2006 documentary, is easily found on the internet and should be taken seriously.

[Gimlet]

Hear hear!!!

 

Having voted for the "Common Market" as a young man, I feel responsible for this self governed monster it has turned into but there is nothing I can do to change it.

 

You youngsters will know of it by it's new name, the EU.

 

UKIP, I and friends of my age, are watching closely. It seems they could be the answer, but the trade off it appears, will be that we will have to buy ourselves a houseboat.

 

Sweeping the global warming issue under the carpet, in my view is foolish. Much hard science on global warming due to mans activities, not diss similar to that which Al Gore exposes in his 2006 documentary, is easily found on the internet and should be taken seriously.

 

Don't panic. UKIP disputes much global warming science, but it does not propose a wholesale return to old fashioned polluting power production and is committed to long term investment in modern clean fossil fuel power stations including carbon capture and modern nuclear. They believe the UK needs a long-term, grown-up, multi-faceted energy plan that reduces our dependence on gas imports. What UKIP emphatically oppose is continuing the wind power delusion, rigging the energy market through the tax system, and condemning the next generation to black-outs, economic callapse, fuel poverty and mass environmental vandalism.

The National Grid's own figures show that the 4300 wind turbines already operating produce only 0.1% of our current energy requirements. We would need 4 million turbines to meet close to our needs and they would only produce power when the wind blows and would require fossil fuel backup. One modern gas fired plant produces 74 times the power of our entire wind turbine stock, and does so continuously. The carbon savings of windpower are close to nil and the cost in environmental and landscape destruction incalculable. The current government policy of underwriting wind power through the tax system purely to comply with Blair's back of a fag packet "20-20" eye-catching energy initiative which led to the 2008 Climate Change Act will see energy bills soar, plunging vast numbers of households into fuel poverty, driving the economy to ruin and causing the deaths of old and vulnerable people who will be unable to heat their homes.

And don't believe everything you find on the internet. The phrase 'Global warming' has disappeared. We now have the meaningless 'climate change.' You are being sold a pup.

[FalconFN]

Don't panic. UKIP disputes much global warming science, but it does not propose a wholesale return to old fashioned polluting power production and is committed to long term investment in modern clean fossil fuel 1 power stations including carbon capture and modern nuclear 2 . They believe the UK needs a long-term, grown-up, multi-faceted energy plan that reduces our dependence on gas imports 3. What UKIP emphatically oppose is continuing the wind power delusion, rigging the energy market through the tax system, and condemning the next generation to black-outs, economic callapse, fuel poverty and mass environmental vandalism 4 .

The National Grid's own figures show that the 4300 wind turbines already operating produce only 0.1% of our current energy requirements 5 . We would need 4 million turbines to meet close to our needs and they would only produce power when the wind blows and would require fossil fuel backup 6 . One modern gas fired plant produces 74 times the power of our entire wind turbine stock, and does so continuously 7. The carbon savings of windpower are close to nil and the cost in environmental and landscape destruction incalculable 8. The current government policy of underwriting wind power through the tax system purely to comply with Blair's back of a fag packet "20-20" eye-catching energy initiative which led to the 2008 Climate Change Act will see energy bills soar, plunging vast numbers of households into fuel poverty, driving the economy to ruin and causing the deaths of old and vulnerable people who will be unable to heat their homes 9.

And don't believe everything you find on the internet. The phrase 'Global warming' has disappeared. We now have the meaningless 'climate change.' You are being sold a pup 10.

1. Unfortunately clean fossil fuel generation is a double-edged sword, the CO₂ released into the atmosphere is lower than conventional coal/gas but it requires around a third more fuel - not good as the price of dwindling supplies of fossil fuel will only ever go up.

 

2. UKIP said they would invest 3.5 billion in nuclear, that is hardly going to make the difference needed, but it is a step in the right direction.

 

3. Totally agree, but that includes renewable energy.

 

4. Wind, as part of the solution, will not bring blackouts, and environmental vandalism? really? Are they worse than uncontrolled climate change?

 

5. I'd like to see your source. Currently they produce somewhere in the region of 5% (with peaks of more than 12%) of our energy requirements.

 

6. Nobody wants wind to become a main source of power so we don't need 4 million turbines, it is part of the solution not the solution.

 

7. Again statistics don't back this up.

 

8. Badly sited future wind farms on peat bogs are a bad idea, so that is a planning issue for the Scottish government. Well sited and well run sites do reduce CO₂ emissions significantly over the life of the plant.

 

9. What rubbish, investing​ in alternative sources of energy so that we aren't reliant on US coal or Russian gas is important as is reducing our CO₂ output. We should be investing in all forms of energy, particularly those that require our technical expertise to be exploited. Wind is just one of those technologies.

 

10. Meaningless? It means exactly what it says, climates (measures of meteorological elements in different topological regions) behave differently as global average temperatures increase (yes global average temperatures are increasing at a fast rate). That means that areas that previously had moderate rainfall or warming wind/sea flows may have dramatic changes and actually see their climates become dryer and colder. Crops failing, flooding, droughts and bizarre weather events may become more and more common leading to economic and political extremes. Climates have extremely complex relationships with many different elements and are incredibly difficult to predict so saying change is actually more accurate than describing the overall global trend.

[Boromir]

1. Unfortunately clean fossil fuel generation is a double-edged sword, the CO₂ released into the atmosphere is lower than conventional coal/gas but it requires around a third more fuel - not good as the price of dwindling supplies of fossil fuel will only ever go up.

 

2. UKIP said they would invest 3.5 billion in nuclear, that is hardly going to make the difference needed, but it is a step in the right direction.

 

3. Totally agree, but that includes renewable energy.

 

4. Wind, as part of the solution, will not bring blackouts, and environmental vandalism? really? Are they worse than uncontrolled climate change?

 

5. I'd like to see your source. Currently they produce somewhere in the region of 5% (with peaks of more than 12%) of our energy requirements.

 

6. Nobody wants wind to become a main source of power so we don't need 4 million turbines, it is part of the solution not the solution.

 

7. Again statistics don't back this up.

 

8. Badly sited future wind farms on peat bogs are a bad idea, so that is a planning issue for the Scottish government. Well sited and well run sites do reduce CO₂ emissions significantly over the life of the plant.

 

9. What rubbish, investing​ in alternative sources of energy so that we aren't reliant on US coal or Russian gas is important as is reducing our CO₂ output. We should be investing in all forms of energy, particularly those that require our technical expertise to be exploited. Wind is just one of those technologies.

 

10. Meaningless? It means exactly what it says, climates (measures of meteorological elements in different topological regions) behave differently as global average temperatures increase (yes global average temperatures are increasing at a fast rate). That means that areas that previously had moderate rainfall or warming wind/sea flows may have dramatic changes and actually see their climates become dryer and colder. Crops failing, flooding, droughts and bizarre weather events may become more and more common leading to economic and political extremes. Climates have extremely complex relationships with many different elements and are incredibly difficult to predict so saying change is actually more accurate than describing the overall global trend.

Do you know what the main incentives for all these wind turbines and hydro electric that are going up? I tell you what it is its subs from the government The 1MW hydro dam that my work has made £800'000 in just one year and thats just one small Hydro there is many more and bigger ones around the country. So the more wind turbines and hydros we have the more money that needs to come from our pockets to, so the price of Electricity is going to go up whether its Coal, gas, Nuclear or renewables.

 

I would rather spend the money that we give these renewable projects on a much better way of creating clean energy that does not blot the landscape, blocks off fish migrating up river and so much energy and materials to make up a turbine that takes about 20 years to pay it back. If you think these wind turbines are the answer to our future energy needs your kidding yourselfs, they dont run all the times and they destroy our landscapes.

[FalconFN]

Do you know what the main incentives for all these wind turbines and hydro electric that are going up? I tell you what it is its subs from the government The 1MW hydro dam that my work has made £800'000 in just one year and thats just one small Hydro there is many more and bigger ones around the country. So the more wind turbines and hydros we have the more money that needs to come from our pockets to, so the price of Electricity is going to go up whether its Coal, gas, Nuclear or renewables.

 

I would rather spend the money that we give these renewable projects on a much better way of creating clean energy that does not blot the landscape, blocks off fish migrating up river and so much energy and materials to make up a turbine that takes about 20 years to pay it back. If you think these wind turbines are the answer to our future energy needs your kidding yourselfs, they dont run all the times and they destroy our landscapes.

Firstly there are government subsidies for renewable because it is beneficial to produce low carbon power, that goes for nuclear too. Secondly, only a proportion of that £800,000 comes from subsidies, most will have come from a bank and most probably the loan was taken out by a big European power company (given it's own subsidies by their state too).

 

You say you would rather spend the subsidies on clean power and I assume you must mean nuclear as it is reasonably clean, but that has its own problems, mainly the massive cost of building, running and dismantling the things, but also the ability to source uranium (that we are using faster than we can get it out of the ground).

 

The ONLY way we can have a secure energy delivery system is by diversity, and that means investment in different generating technologies, and that comes at a massive cost. The alternative is even more of our power is supplied by money from European companies (it's already at nearly 65%).

 

What UKIP (and the others) should be saying is that we need to encourage more UK companies to invest in future generation plants of all types and become a world leader of technology and not a consumer, so we don't see all of our tax subsidies going to German and French state funded companies.

 

We need nuclear, wind and fossil fuel generation in the future but we need to be doing more to see the benefits going to this country.

[Boromir]

Firstly there are government subsidies for renewable because it is beneficial to produce low carbon power, that goes for nuclear too. Secondly, only a proportion of that £800,000 comes from subsidies, most will have come from a bank and most probably the loan was taken out by a big European power company (given it's own subsidies by their state too).

 

You say you would rather spend the subsidies on clean power and I assume you must mean nuclear as it is reasonably clean, but that has its own problems, mainly the massive cost of building, running and dismantling the things, but also the ability to source uranium (that we are using faster than we can get it out of the ground).

 

The ONLY way we can have a secure energy delivery system is by diversity, and that means investment in different generating technologies, and that comes at a massive cost. The alternative is even more of our power is supplied by money from European companies (it's already at nearly 65%).

 

What UKIP (and the others) should be saying is that we need to encourage more UK companies to invest in future generation plants of all types and become a world leader of technology and not a consumer, so we don't see all of our tax subsidies going to German and French state funded companies.

 

We need nuclear, wind and fossil fuel generation in the future but we need to be doing more to see the benefits going to this country.

How much are you paying for one unit of electricity? 4-14p a unit? I would need to quote my boss on this again but I remember him telling me that each unit they export they get 25p and my company built this hydrodam with there own money and so they export there electricity to a power company. So where does the money come from? Thats right our pockets whether through higher electric costs or some other taxation we mugs pay for it while the money goes to the rich and corrupt politicians and the poor live in fuel poverty.

There are probably other renewables that we have not thought of yet why not invest in research to find more better alternatives to our power needs?

[kdubya]

How much are you paying for one unit of electricity? 4-14p a unit? I would need to quote my boss on this again but I remember him telling me that each unit they export they get 25p and my company built this hydrodam with there own money and so they export there electricity to a power company. So where does the money come from? Thats right our pockets whether through higher electric costs or some other taxation we mugs pay for it while the money goes to the rich and corrupt politicians and the poor live in fuel poverty.

There are probably other renewables that we have not thought of yet why not invest in research to find more better alternatives to our power needs?

average pool price at the moment per MW hour is around £54 - £80,(depends on whats on the grid) onshore wind is £110 per MW HR, offshore wind is £140 work it out if you think the mad rush for wind is to save the planet or to reap the subsidy harvest? once (as has started to happen)the subsidy stops we will be left with a legacy of rotting landscape blotting monuments as testament to mans foolishness and greed.

 

KW

[Boromir]

average pool price at the moment per MW hour is around £54 - £80,(depends on whats on the grid) onshore wind is £110 per MW HR, offshore wind is £140 work it out if you think the mad rush for wind is to save the planet or to reap the subsidy harvest? once (as has started to happen)the subsidy stops we will be left with a legacy of rotting landscape blotting monuments as testament to mans foolishness and greed.

 

KW

I dont really speak to my boss about it much but he also mentioned that they got a good tariff on it cause the price went up for some reason when Libya was in crises and its fixed til 202something.

Edited May 5, 2013 by Boromir