What would a Ukip Britain look like?

[evo]

I had to get some new tyres for the car the other week,the guy who fitted them is Polish,he told me he has been here for ten years,we got talking about imigration and the possible influx from further people from easten europe,he made me smile when he said i am not happy about all these imigrants comimg here and claiming benifits,some thing needs to be done,to be fair to the guy he has worked since he came here,paid tax and ni so good luck to him.

 

was that on the dock road by the way between the two bridges,,met him last week ,,nice hard working guy but should be sent back and his job given to one of the british unemployed

 

ok boys tin hat on,,,,,ukip for king,queen,and country

[FalconFN]

 

 

was that on the dock road by the way between the two bridges,,met him last week ,,nice hard working guy but should be sent back and his job given to one of the british unemployed

 

ok boys tin hat on,,,,,ukip for king,queen,and country

My friend lives and works as a gardener in Portugal and has done for 6 years. Should he and his family be sent back to England too?

[Reece]

A refusal to tolerate an alternative view is the very definition of fascism. That is a speciality of the Left not the Right.

 

+1

 

It is oppressive to ban people from watching a documentary because it goes against what you believe in.

 

Maybe so, but no one wants to ban that documentary, it is not oppressive to keep propaganda out of schools. Schools should be given both sides of arguments like that, not just one.

[VikingRebel]

I do quite admire Nigel Farage. He is one of few seemingly honest politcians we have. Whether or not he would maintain his integrity if he ever got into office is another matter. Power tends to corrupt unfortunately.

[Gimlet]

My friend lives and works as a gardener in Portugal and has done for 6 years. Should he and his family be sent back to England too?

 

Who lives and works in Portugal should be decided by the Portugese people through their government. If they decide to send English gardeners home they should be free to do so, that is their prerogative and English gardeners will have to get used to it. Who lives and works in Britain should likewise be decided by the British people through their government. And no one else, and no need to explain or justify. It isn't racist, fascist, xenophobic or any other hysterical nonsense. The right to decide who may enter your house is a defining principle of sovereignty. It is how grown up countries manage their affairs.

[evo]

My friend lives and works as a gardener in Portugal and has done for 6 years. Should he and his family be sent back to England too?

 

i,m not interested in portugal i was talking about this country,,yes the uk,, we where talking about doctors last week and NOT ONE person we asked has got an english or british doctor,,send all foreign nationals back and give there positions to british people,,

 

in our local town you are now very lucky to find an english speaking person in the pubs, they are all polish, and now there is pitched battles all the time in the town because the romanians are now being shipped in, some places in liverpool have been overtaken by albanians its a total joke

 

i personally think it is wrong to employ someone of a foreign nationality just because they work for nout than to employ a british person on the minimum wage,

[overandunder2012]

i,m not interested in portugal i was talking about this country,,yes the uk,, we where talking about doctors last week and NOT ONE person we asked has got an english or british doctor,,send all foreign nationals back and give there positions to british people,,

 

i dont think you will find there's enough british doctors to fill the posts, sensible immigration is needed but not open flood gates to unskilled labour

Edited March 11, 2013 by overandunder2012

[FalconFN]

i,m not interested in portugal i was talking about this country,,yes the uk,, we where talking about doctors last week and NOT ONE person we asked has got an english or british doctor,,send all foreign nationals back and give there positions to british people,,

You should be interested in Portugal, and every other European country that we have easy, unlimited access to. The world has changed and isolation is not an option, it is just a choice of which countries we work with.

 

I noticed that you refer to the UNITED kingdom which is a group of countries, with different cultures and lanuguages, that work together and share many laws and have freedom of movement and trade. How is that different to the rest of Europe? And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

[evo]

i dont think you will find there's enough british doctors to fill the posts, sensible immigration is needed but not open flood gates to unskilled labour

 

totally agree,but at the moment its just a free for all,,certainly agree with the " you only get benefits if you have been in this country for 5 years" they will think twice about coming then

[evo]

You should be interested in Portugal, and every other European country that we have easy, unlimited access to. The world has changed and isolation is not an option, it is just a choice of which countries we work with.

 

I noticed that you refer to the UNITED kingdom which is a group of countries, with different cultures and lanuguages, that work together and share many laws and have freedom of movement and trade. How is that different to the rest of Europe? And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

 

and why shouldn,t they go to london it is there capital, they are british,, so cant see what your on about,,and they are not sponging off another country its their right to travel anywhere they want in their own BRITISH ISLES be it welsh,scotish or ireland (northern) for that matter they are part of britain,,,,portugal is not, so if the portugees gov,nt decided to send all the british people back to our shores then thats up to them and whoever they sent back would just have to accept it

 

also i never mentioned hospital beds either,where did ya get that one from

[FalconFN]

And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

 

and why shouldn,t they go to london it is there capital, they are british,, so cant see what your on about,,and they are not sponging off another country its their right to travel anywhere they want in their own BRITISH ISLES be it welsh,scotish or ireland (northern) for that matter they are part of britain,,,,portugal is not, so if the portugees gov,nt decided to send all the british people back to our shores then thats up to them and whoever they sent back would just have to accept it

 

also i never mentioned hospital beds either,where did ya get that one from

But we are English, British AND European, and DO have the right to travel around Europe to work. My point is what makes you differentiate between Scottish and Polish or Welsh and French? The only difference that I can see is that you think that one union is valid and the other isn't for some unknown reason.

 

I was being flippant about hospital beds, but the point remains, people move to find work all the time and they always have done, that is how the world works and pretending that Britain can survive without immigrants is just wrong.

[Gilberts1989]

 

But we are English, British AND European, and DO have the right to travel around Europe to work. My point is what makes you differentiate between Scottish and Polish or Welsh and French? The only difference that I can see is that you think that one union is valid and the other isn't for some unknown reason.

 

I was being flippant about hospital beds, but the point remains, people move to find work all the time and they always have done, that is how the world works and pretending that Britain can survive without immigrants is just wrong.

 

The problem isn't just the EU migrants so don't get so fixed up on them. People from Pakistan, china, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, countless african countries the list can keep going to be honest. These are the people that are also costing us millions, if its not through loss of money by working illegally, it's through the cost of resources needed to find and bring a case for deporting against them and they end up not reporting each week anyway.

 

Also how much money is sent out of this country by the commonwealth working in this country. I know for a fact that alot commonwealth soldiers mostly from the African countries send 3/4 of thier wages back to thier home country. I understand there is a tax on this by the goverment however that is still a lot of British money being lost every year to this

[evo]

But we are English, British AND European, and DO have the right to travel around Europe to work. My point is what makes you differentiate between Scottish and Polish or Welsh and French? The only difference that I can see is that you think that one union is valid and the other isn't for some unknown reason.

 

I was being flippant about hospital beds, but the point remains, people move to find work all the time and they always have done, that is how the world works and pretending that Britain can survive without immigrants is just wrong.

 

i do understand your point,,but my point is,,why are we as a country letting foreign nationals come to our country to work,,we have signed a treaty to say this,,but why when we have so many unemployed,,if we didn,t do this then these jobs could be given to our own nationals

 

can i also say i dont class myself as european I AM BRITISH, i know our country is in europe but i am british and proud of it i would never say i was european

Edited March 12, 2013 by evo

[FalconFN]

 

 

The problem isn't just the EU migrants so don't get so fixed up on them.

I only got dragged into this because I was foolishly answering Evo's crass, trolling post about wanting to send home a hardworking Polish guy who'd lived here for 10 years.

[TrapFiller]

 

 

i do understand your point,,but my point is,,why are we as a country letting foreign nationals come to our country to work,,we have signed a treaty to say this,,but why when we have so many unemployed,,if we didn,t do this then these jobs could be given to our own nationals

 

can i also say i dont class myself as european I AM BRITISH, i know our country is in europe but i am british and proud of it i would never say i was european

There is only so many unemployed willing to work.

[Dave-G]

Every other party knows what the british public is naffed off about but they have not been listening to MR. Citizen.

 

UKIP can give them a well deserved kick up the jacksie. EU meddling and yuman rights have fubared us to the point that we are not in control of our country. Europe is using our cash to 'buy' other countries. I admit to being a dissafected conservative voter and will be voting UKIP - even if there is a chance they might win.

[Mitchsan51]

+1

[beeredup]

what like the others wriggled out of their manifesto pledges ( referendum anyone) ring a bell does it?

 

KW

 

+1

[Reece]

I noticed that you refer to the UNITED kingdom which is a group of countries, with different cultures and lanuguages, that work together and share many laws and have freedom of movement and trade. How is that different to the rest of Europe? And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

 

It's very different to the rest of Europe. The difference in culture and language within the UK is nothing compared to the difference between the UK and other European countries. And the United Kingdom has been united for centuries.

 

 

And about immigration in general, I am not opposed in principle to immigration, but those we let in should have some skills and be able to work. I support UKIP on immigration, uncontrolled immigration should end.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Reece

[Vince Green]

i dont think you will find there's enough british doctors to fill the posts, sensible immigration is needed but not open flood gates to unskilled labour

thats absolutely not true, my son is a medical student and many newly qualified young doctors end up going abroad to get experience because they can't get jobs here.

 

Doctors in the NHS are among the highest paid doctors in the world and the money is like a magnet attracting foreign doctors in from all over.

 

A European doctor working in Briitain will earn on average double what he can expect to earn in his own country, Doctors are probably the clearest example you will find of how our system is broken, favouring foreigners over our own people.

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You may have seen a bit on the news recently about compelling foreign doctors to take an English language test, thats why. They don't even speak engish!

 

Nurses face all the same problems, can't get a job when they finish training yet the hospitals are full of foreign agency nurses.

 

Why spend money training these kids only to lose them abroad?. The NHS's answer is to cut training places because they don't need to train doctors and nurses they can get as many as they want without. Short sighted in the extreme,

 

It is said that Britain's policy causes shortages of doctors and nurses in parts of the world where they are desperately needed.

 

Then politicians get up and use the NHS to justify their immigration policies by saying we need immigration to keep the NHS going but its absolutely not true. There are more than twenty good applicants for every place at a British medical school. Nineteen end up as rejects. We could run the NHS with British doctors who wouldn't take their money at the end of their contract and go back home.

 

Give our kids a chance and don't believe the politicians propaganda

Edited March 12, 2013 by Vince Green

[Mungler]

The conservatives and labour should be very frightened because UKIP are only saying what they should have been doing all along. Its not rocket science a lot of this, we have been telling them for years and they have been totally ignoring us.

 

Indeed, and you can't argue with the "numbers" and their growing support.

 

They should rebrand themselves as the Conservative Common Sense Party. As matters stand though, they will split the Tory vote and leave the door open for the left.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Mungler

[scolopax]

They should rebrand themselves as the Conservative Common Sense Party. As matters stand though, they will split the Tory vote and leave the door open for the left.

 

exactly, voting for them and hoping for a more right wing goverment will result in a left wing goverment.

[Gimlet]

You should be interested in Portugal, and every other European country that we have easy, unlimited access to. The world has changed and isolation is not an option, it is just a choice of which countries we work with.

 

I noticed that you refer to the UNITED kingdom which is a group of countries, with different cultures and lanuguages, that work together and share many laws and have freedom of movement and trade. How is that different to the rest of Europe? And for that matter why is it ok for Northerners to come down to London and (according to your logic) take jobs and hospital beds from Londoners?

 

I'll tell you how the UK is different to the EU. Britain is a proper country that has evolved through consent. It remains at heart, although this status has been temporarily suspended by the EU, a sovereign parliamentary democrcacy. The people of the UK have a right to vote out the people who make their laws. The Government of the UK is chosen by the people of the UK and by them alone. Or was.

The EU is a sovietised bureaucratic dictatorship. The people who make the laws are self-appointed and have no democratic mandate. They were not voted in and they cannot be voted out. And they cannot be held to account. The EU has brought economic and social turmoil, ruining the lives of millions of people. Greece is a failed state. It is utterly bankrupt. The people of Greece have no chance whatever of rebuilding their economy while their country remains a chattel of the EU. They have been sacrificed to satisfy the political vanity of a tiny cabal of unelected megalomaniacs. The EU is the most pernicious example of bureaucratic grand imperialism the continent has ever seen.

If you think the destruction of national identities, subjugation without representation and economic plundering in pursuit of a socialist distopia is a good idea then, yes, you are a European. But tens of millions of other British people, and millions more from other European countries who also want their sovereignty back, are emphatically not European and will never be while they have breath in their bodies.

[Gimlet]

exactly, voting for them and hoping for a more right wing goverment will result in a left wing goverment.

 

It doesn't matter whether Labour or the Conservatives form the next government while both are committed to surrendering our national identity and sovereignty. While Britain remains in the EU, Westminster is just a puppet regime, releasing a lot of hot air and dreaming up ways of buying work for itself with the Nation's credit card. It doesn't govern the country.

Until Britain leaves the EU, general elections are just meaningless and expensive pomp. If UKIP can reach critical mass and force a referendum which leads to Britain's complete withdrawal, we will have a country with sovereign government once more. Then it will be worth talking politics. Until then you're choosing between two side of the same coin.

[evo]

thats absolutely not true, my son is a medical student and many newly qualified young doctors end up going abroad to get experience because they can't get jobs here.

 

Doctors in the NHS are among the highest paid doctors in the world and the money is like a magnet attracting foreign doctors in from all over.

 

A European doctor working in Briitain will earn on average double what he can expect to earn in his own country, Doctors are probably the clearest example you will find of how our system is broken, favouring foreigners over our own people.

.

You may have seen a bit on the news recently about compelling foreign doctors to take an English language test, thats why. They don't even speak engish!

 

Nurses face all the same problems, can't get a job when they finish training yet the hospitals are full of foreign agency nurses.

 

Why spend money training these kids only to lose them abroad?. The NHS's answer is to cut training places because they don't need to train doctors and nurses they can get as many as they want without. Short sighted in the extreme,

 

It is said that Britain's policy causes shortages of doctors and nurses in parts of the world where they are desperately needed.

 

Then politicians get up and use the NHS to justify their immigration policies by saying we need immigration to keep the NHS going but its absolutely not true. There are more than twenty good applicants for every place at a British medical school. Nineteen end up as rejects. We could run the NHS with British doctors who wouldn't take their money at the end of their contract and go back home.

 

Give our kids a chance and don't believe the politicians propaganda

 

totally agree,,my eldest daughter was studying as a neurologist and has been for 9 years in uni and hospitals, she finally finished her degree,s last year, she had become a workaholic, getting a job in this country for her,,NO CHANCE, there are thousands of perfectly qualified medical students whom have passed their degree,s with flying colors that cannot get work here because there are no positions,just take a walk through any of our hospitals and you will not see many if any british doctors names on the walls,,correct me if i,m wrong but i know i am not