Matty7247 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 i wonder if they have liability insurance? One of these drones crshinging into somebody, or dog/Livestock, would would pay. I think its an interesting avenue. Personally, if im filmed doing something completely legal, whats the worry? Only the people carrying out illegal activitys need to worry. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorevans Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 old school 27mhz AM CB radio will do the lot no need to know the frequency Yep have witnessed this first hand whilst out doing some green lanes in the landy. There was a kid and his old man flying a radio controlled plane in one of the fields next to the track, when someone spoke over the CB to say that the gate we were about to go through needed to be closed the plane fell out of the sky. Was quite funny to see as it just missed one of the trucks. None of us knew why it had happened until the rather irate farther came over and told us it was because of the CB frequency interfering with the controller. Then I did feel really sorry for the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) i wonder if they have liability insurance? One of these drones crshinging into somebody, or dog/Livestock, would would pay. I think its an interesting avenue. Personally, if im filmed doing something completely legal, whats the worry? Only the people carrying out illegal activitys need to worry. Matt The counter argument to that is 'If I'm doing something perfectly legal why should I be filmed at all?'. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the film they are gathering is almost certainly only able to be gathered via trespass and, possibly, endangering people. Everyone has a right to their privacy and what you do privately is none of anyone elses business as long as what you are doing is legal. J. Edited March 18, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yep have witnessed this first hand whilst out doing some green lanes in the landy. There was a kid and his old man flying a radio controlled plane in one of the fields next to the track, when someone spoke over the CB to say that the gate we were about to go through needed to be closed the plane fell out of the sky. Was quite funny to see as it just missed one of the trucks. None of us knew why it had happened until the rather irate farther came over and told us it was because of the CB frequency interfering with the controller. Then I did feel really sorry for the kid. cool, I know somewere they are a total pain and no kids all blokes 55 yrs + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 The counter argument to that is 'If I'm doing something perfectly legal why should I be filmed at all?'. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the film they are gathering is almost certainly only able to be gathered via trespass and, possibly, endangering people. Everyone has a right to their privacy and what you do privately is none of anyone elses business as long as what you are doing is legal. J. I totally agree, what ever people do lawfully, should be able to go about their business without being watched. The problem is, that there are certain folk that dont wish to abide by the law, and thus, tarring everyone with the same brush. if people just accepted that they can not hunt foxs with hounds, etc, then the Lge would have nothing to do. People are making rods for their own backs. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I totally agree, what ever people do lawfully, should be able to go about their business without being watched. The problem is, that there are certain folk that dont wish to abide by the law, and thus, tarring everyone with the same brush. if people just accepted that they can not hunt foxs with hounds, etc, then the Lge would have nothing to do. People are making rods for their own backs. Matt Agree Matt, then i read some of the posts on The Hunting Life ( which anyone can read) and wonder why get some of the press we do. Trespass seems the norm on that site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Its quite simple, regardless of if you agree or disagree with the laws being made, we have to abide by them. If we dont, it will only make our hobby/lifestyle alot more difficult. Stop giving the Anti's ammunition, and they cannot twist things for the wider view. As they say, its in our own hands...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 What a poor excuse " it was an accident" , "too close to the pheasant" what if it was a rare bird?. I know I hold my fire when I spot a non target bird too close, it wouldn't be the first time I have downed an extra bird or more with one shot or hit a following bird not the intended one. Claiming it was an accident is just about the worse thing you can say - far better to just carry on and let them film The "what if it was a rare bird" argument sounded good, but I just thought of something. How fast do these drones fly? If they travel quickly, accidental shooting down could be perfectly understandable - they may be able to travel faster than some bird species. Not sure on that though. Would have to look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Just done a quick google search and some of them can go at 30mph, some at nearly 100 mph, but I'm not sure which type LACS will be using. How fast do game birds fly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 there are some grey area's ..you can actually legally film from a public highway.. but you need permission if its private property, also you have to be a certain distance from a public highway to fly these quadcopters ..but !!! if they had permission from the next door landowner.. they would be fine I see no problem with them filming me..my guns are legal as is my permission, if the thing came over your permission, it might be worth getting the landowners permission to take out these UFO's as they could become a pest anyway..i don't think it is us they are after..its the fox hunting with dogs and horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I would steer clear of shooting them down its only going to lead to aggravation , however legally using cb radios at an opportune moment would be quite amusing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 It would seem reasonable, since this would be an illegal disruption to a legal activity, to ensure each shoot had the means to hand to interrupt control or take over control and fly it where the operator may find it a little uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sounds good, dont they have to have a pennant on em to signify what frequency? old school 27mhz AM CB radio will do the lot no need to know the frequency not now they run 2.4ghz. by the way, if anyone does shoot one of these by accident let me know, i might know some people who'd be interested in the spares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Stop giving the Anti's ammunition, and they cannot twist things for the wider view. I'm afraid they can. They can sit in a shopping centre and hand out leaflets full of absolute lies and twisted half-truths and people will read them and believe them. No amount of campaigning by BASC or SACs or CA or whoever could defeat this sort of propoganda as many will just think "oh, you would say that. wouldn't you" and "Its just a load of posh blokes in tweed, they must be lying,these lovely bunny huggers have got the measure of them though" We cannot win this debate as the other side will always lie, cheat and exaggerate. Agreed, we need to stop giving them ammunition, but don't imagine that even if every single solitary shooter or hunter never put a foot wrong legally they would go away. I refer you to the religion debate currently raging elsewhere on the site, there are some that believe one thing and some that believe another and no amount of argument will change anybody's mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 there are some grey area's ..you can actually legally film from a public highway.. but you need permission if its private property, also you have to be a certain distance from a public highway to fly these quadcopters ..but !!! if they had permission from the next door landowner.. they would be fine I see no problem with them filming me..my guns are legal as is my permission, if the thing came over your permission, it might be worth getting the landowners permission to take out these UFO's as they could become a pest anyway..i don't think it is us they are after..its the fox hunting with dogs and horses You know, your post was OK until that last sentence I've said it before, so I'll say it again with an attitude like that fieldsports are doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 You know, your post was OK until that last sentence I've said it before, so I'll say it again with an attitude like that fieldsports are doomed Too right! If anybody who shoots thinks they're not on the agenda, think again... http://www.league.org.uk/content/731/Shooting-Symposium-25-April-2013 Plenty of instances of hunt sabs having a go at shoots and shooters of all types over the last twelve months, be it driven shoots or blokes out for a day on the pigeons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I'm afraid they can. They can sit in a shopping centre and hand out leaflets full of absolute lies and twisted half-truths and people will read them and believe them. No amount of campaigning by BASC or SACs or CA or whoever could defeat this sort of propoganda as many will just think "oh, you would say that. wouldn't you" and "Its just a load of posh blokes in tweed, they must be lying,these lovely bunny huggers have got the measure of them though" We cannot win this debate as the other side will always lie, cheat and exaggerate. Agreed, we need to stop giving them ammunition, but don't imagine that even if every single solitary shooter or hunter never put a foot wrong legally they would go away. I refer you to the religion debate currently raging elsewhere on the site, there are some that believe one thing and some that believe another and no amount of argument will change anybody's mind. Quite right. If someone watches footage on youtube, and the footage was filmed undercover and is low quality, then a lot of viewers will assume that something bad is happening. Low quality surveillance footage can have that effect on viewers, whether malpractice has occurred or not, expecially if LACS post it and then provide their own commentary, whether that commentary is accurate or not. Take two photos of someone out shooting and experiment with changing how dark or light the photo is, and imagine what someone looking at it would think about shooting. It's amazing what you can do just by changing the light. Look at the photos used on animal rights websites where images are shaded differently, it makes shooters look like evil villains. It can create an atmosphere which simply did not exist when the photo was taken, if you know what I mean. I might do this to some photos and post them here later, as it is a bit difficult to explain. A demonstration might be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 You know, your post was OK until that last sentence I've said it before, so I'll say it again with an attitude like that fieldsports are doomed no..its what was said tonight on the news.. now by law it is illegal to hunt with dogs and hounds for fox...(FACT) .. being paranoid is what the anti's want.. like fishing, we do nothing illegal, we will always be a target for the likes of LACS, PETA etc etc ... if they had their way, we wouldn't have farms with animals ..the whole country would be growing greens and carrots I get fed up to the teeth when i see fellow legal shooters go down this doomed route they have a right to protest..we have a right to legally shoot, our problem is we don't put our point across as well, they use the cruelty front to gain votes we just blab out we are protecting crops..what we don't say is we help keep a healthy balance, we help keep the countryside (they so love) alive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 no..its what was said tonight on the news.. now by law it is illegal to hunt with dogs and hounds for fox...(FACT) .. being paranoid is what the anti's want.. like fishing, we do nothing illegal, we will always be a target for the likes of LACS, PETA etc etc ... if they had their way, we wouldn't have farms with animals ..the whole country would be growing greens and carrots I get fed up to the teeth when i see fellow legal shooters go down this doomed route they have a right to protest..we have a right to legally shoot, our problem is we don't put our point across as well, they use the cruelty front to gain votes we just blab out we are protecting crops..what we don't say is we help keep a healthy balance, we help keep the countryside (they so love) alive.... Then I take it back but absolutely stand by my last sentence (without aiming it at you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Too right! If anybody who shoots thinks they're not on the agenda, think again... http://www.league.or...m-25-April-2013 Says it all really I wonder whether BASC or CA attend ........... seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridges Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 That event just looks like preaching to the converted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 LACS could be limited in their intended use of drones by Civil Aviation Authority restrictions. If the aircraft weighs more than 7kg then they would need CAA permission to fly it above 400ft, or at all if with an air traffic controlled zone. If they fly near people or buildings then they could attract complaints of negligence or endangerment. This could result in their equipment being confiscated which could include any vehicle that was used to transport the drone i.e their cars. They would also need landowner's permission for launch and recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 See the Gunsmoke and Mirrors video has been removed from their site. Good work BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 A cb wouldn't work now as they are now digital , not sure if they need land owners permission as long as they don't land on the land and keep off it themselfs. Insurance would be a must through the bmfa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 See the Gunsmoke and Mirrors video has been removed from their site. Good work BASC It was removed ages ago when it was first posted, due to copyright issues. The copyrighted material was removed and the new video posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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