dog attack

[Dirty Harry]

Well im not 110% sure but a start.would be before a dog is purchased owners should have to gain a licence. That would at least he a start.

As for your ridiculous "jumping on the band wagon"comment, don't think there's any need for that so wind that in. I know Colin and Oz very well so am going to be passionate about it as they are good friends of mine. All your posts in this thread appear to be trying to wind people up. Not sure if your just bored, lonely or what!!!!!!

Bazzab I have every sympathy for Colin and I've been in his situation. I kicked the **** out of a dog to get it off mine and luckily the injury was only very minor. Your comments about licencing show that you don't really have a clue. The "that would at least be a start" confirmed it.

It's easy to jump on the band wagon and go with the flow but sometimes people need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

 

Thanks Gordon.

[bazzab]

"I don't really have a clue" again no need for that. I said im not 110% sure what needs putting in place. And again im not jumping on bandwagon im commenting on an open forum about good friends of mine.

 

Well you clearly know everything and clearly am way more intelligent than me. So ill just agree!!!!!!!

[Gordon R]

bazzab - got a lot of sympathy. Whenever something like a child dying or a dog being attacked, most people get a sense of frustration that something should have been in place to prevent it occurring.

 

Sadly, the measures which are usually proposed are unworkable or wouldn't have affected the incidents concerned. How do you honestly stop scrotes or irresponsible owners owning dogs. Staffies tend to take stick from many, but there are so many breeds to chose from. I could probably rattle off 20 which would be more destructive, but dearer to maintain.

 

Stiffer punishments for the guilty would be my starting point, but some incidents would require a change in the law.

[bazzab]

bazzab - got a lot of sympathy. Whenever something like a child dying or a dog being attacked, most people get a sense of frustration that something should have been in place to prevent it occurring.

 

Sadly, the measures which are usually proposed are unworkable or wouldn't have affected the incidents concerned. How do you honestly stop scrotes or irresponsible owners owning dogs. Staffies tend to take stick from many, but there are so many breeds to chose from. I could probably rattle off 20 which would be more destructive, but dearer to maintain.

 

Stiffer punishments for the guilty would be my starting point, but some incidents would require a change in the law.

Thank you sir. Think you hit nail right in the head there.

[bicykillgaz]

I own two rescue staffy's Baggins and Tia, when I first got my dog 4 years ago within 6 months of owning him he'd been bitten/attacked by 3 dogs on separate occasions. First was a Doberman which the guy always walks without a lead, second a large lurcher stray which I had to repeatedly kick away till a passer by came and grabbed it and a clumber spaniel which was off the lead and the 50+ woman owner said 'dont worry he just does that sometimes' each time my dog was on the lead. The one that pee'd me off the most was the last one as she didn't think there was anything wrong with her dog biting mine, she brushed it off as part if his character!

 

I rang the police about the first two incidents but they just gave me the number of the council dog warden and he was only interested in the stray not the Doberman so I didn't bother the third time.

 

As a result It's left him anxious when meeting other dogs and he greets them with a wagging tail and hackles up, but once they've sniffed and he knows there not a threat I can let him off and he ingnores the dog and goes about his business.

 

It's not nice seeing another dog trying to take chunks out of yours but as Harry and co have said police are only interested if humans get bitten.

 

I'd bring in more severe punishments for the individual owner rather than focusing and demonising breeds. In the three incidents I've had and the op's each time the problem has been that the dog was able to get to ours, if they was on a lead breed, temperament etc wouldn't have been an issue as it wouldn't of happened. I'd make it compulsory for all dogs to be on a lead in public places and make the owner solely responsible for there dogs actions and charged as if it was them who had attacked the person/dog.

 

Gary

[overandunder2012]

well

 

What do you suggest then. How would you legislate to control dog ownership and deal with every dog bite incident. Full details please or would you rather just sit there typing something needs to done and jumping on the band wagon.

it would never stop what happened to the girl or incidents like it as they happened in the house, i doubt it would be a popular rule but attacks outside on other dogs and people could be stopped by "all breeds of dog" having to wear muzzles when out. also its an easy one to prove if the rules broken as its visible and theres a lot of cameras about.

[Dirty Harry]

Good suggestion but one of my old dogs could slip a muzzle. I tried a few on him and he just pushed them off.

Obviously there would need to be exceptions or our dogs would not be much use picking up!

[Gordon R]

I would rest just a little easier if I genuinely believed that politicians were actively seeking a proper, workable solution which deterred idiots, instead of floating a "pasty tax" suggestion - amongst others.

 

They are too busy taxing booze or threatening - then cancelling - rises in fuel tax. They really do take the public for granted.

 

These incidents happen far too often, but I see no solution in sight.

[Vince Green]

I listened to an hour of this on the radio yesterday and I was shouting at it. There were four, that changes everything as anyone who deals with dogs regularly will understand.

[Cosd]

Really sorry to hear what happened to you Collin, hope your dog recovers soon!!

 

A couple of thoughts.

 

How about any breed deemed to be dangerous muzzled whenever off the lead and in a public place. Simple and easy to enforce. It isn't a particularly nice thing for those who do have gentle mannered pets but that's the price of owning something potentially more dangerous than say a collie for example. That's no different to owning a sports car which is more costly to ensure, or owning a gun where you have law by which you obide.

 

Also, the police taking no action, I wonder what their stance would be had that dog locked o to one of their dogs!

[westmids1987]

Really sorry to hear what happened to you Collin, hope your dog recovers soon!!

 

A couple of thoughts.

 

How about any breed deemed to be dangerous muzzled whenever off the lead and in a public place. Simple and easy to enforce. It isn't a particularly nice thing for those who do have gentle mannered pets but that's the price of owning something potentially more dangerous than say a collie for example. !

What would you describe as a dangerous breed?like many others have said any breed can be raised badly and become dangerous

[Goodlittlebitch]

I do not want to get into a anti muscle dog rant but is there really any need for people to have these breeds of dogs?

There is alot of genuine people who actually work and keep bull breeds properly, me being one of them. Ive got 2 patterdale x staffs and a 1/4 bull whippet in my kennels. They wouldnt touch any other of my dogs or another dog unless set upon and definatley wouldnt attack a person. Thats like saying is there any need for people to keep spaniels.

 

A pup isnt born vicous its the way its brought up by the person handling it!!

[Goodlittlebitch]

I do not want to get into a anti muscle dog rant but is there really any need for people to have these breeds of dogs?

There is alot of genuine people who actually work and keep bull breeds properly, me being one of them. Ive got 2 patterdale x staffs and a 1/4 bull whippet in my kennels. They wouldnt touch any other of my dogs or another dog unless set upon and definatley wouldnt attack a person. Thats like saying is there any need for people to keep spaniels.

 

A pup isnt born vicous its the way its brought up by the person handling it!!

[Cosd]

What would you describe as a dangerous breed?like many others have said any breed can be raised badly and become dangerous

Off the top of my head, Alsatians, Rottweilers, Bull Terriers, Mastiffs,Staffs, etc, etc, etc......

[Bryn]

There is alot of genuine people who actually work and keep bull breeds properly, me being one of them. Ive got 2 patterdale x staffs and a 1/4 bull whippet in my kennels. They wouldnt touch any other of my dogs or another dog unless set upon and definatley wouldnt attack a person. Thats like saying is there any need for people to keep spaniels.

A pup isnt born vicous its the way its brought up by the person handling it!!

Well said GLB it is the idiots who have the dog

[westmids1987]

Off the top of my head, Alsatians, Rottweilers, Bull Terriers, Mastiffs,Staffs, etc, etc, etc......

And your reasons that these breeds are 'dangerous'?

And your list of non dangerous dogs please?

[Boromir]

And your reasons that these breeds are 'dangerous'?

And your list of non dangerous dogs please?

Those named I would say would be hard to stop and the amount of damage they could do if they decided to have a go at something. One thing is for sure I would rather fend off a JRTs, springers, labs than any of the bull breeds.

[colin lad]

i think the whole point about my thread was the lack of interest by the police i know they cant go out and check every reported dog attack as like harry said it could of just been a dog on a lead barking at someone BUT the fact i did point out to the police it was a bull terrier of some kind (as i did not know what kind at 1st) and that it was loose in the street a street that would be full of school kids within a few hours, it was her lack of interest that got to me,

if someone phones the old bill to say there is a bloke in a field with 'what looks like a gun' then they will be there in minutes in their numbers even if the caller said "well it looks like a gun" they wouldn't wait till someone got shot before they turned up would they?

so why when the law says

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/overview this

read the bit where it says

it injures someones animal and the line below,

so if that is breaking the law that means a crime has been committed so why should they not attend

 

colin

[geordieh]

I'm not trying to be difficult but what would you expect the police to do following your phone call?

 

Harry

That is exactly the answer you get when you ring them up when you report your car getting broken into too

Geordie

[shootnfish]

Its not always the owners fault as people keep saying, i know some times it is but my wife's friend whose staff attacked her other dog then nearly had two of her fingers off certainly isn't an idiot or chav the dog was well looked after not bought up to be viscous. At the end of the day it turned nasty for no apparent reason and done a fair bit of damage as these breeds can if they do go off on one.

[Asa Bear]

Every dog on a lead whilst in a public place these attacks can't happen.

All dogs microchipped then if a dog is loose it can be caught, the owner traced and fined.

 

How difficult can that be to pass and enforce?

[westmids1987]

Those named I would say would be hard to stop and the amount of damage they could do if they decided to have a go at something. One thing is for sure I would rather fend off a JRTs, springers, labs than any of the bull breeds.

Do you think a fully grown lab would be easy to stop if it went 'bad' how about st bernard,new foundland,husky,greatdane and the numerous other breeds that are bigger more powerfull then some mentioned above?

As i said before i would rather tackle a man without a gun then with so shall we ban all guns?

Its discrimination to tar all dogs of particular breeds with the same brush,same as tarring all shooters due to a few bad apples

[Imperfection]

 

How difficult can that be to pass and enforce?

 

Very difficult-who excally is going to enforce it?

 

Dog wardens perhaps? Our council has one dog warden who covers all the towns and villages in the district which amounts to dozens. To employ more wardens would mean raising council tax to cover the additional wages and that would be about as popular as a dose of the clap. Even if they did employ more wardens they would have to work 24/7 to catch dog owners-i walk my pair at around 2.30am then again at midday which isnt the usual time people are out.

 

The Police maybe? They're already overstretched as it is without having to deal with dogs too. PCSO's? They cover the town centre and never venture this side.

 

Its rather like the dog licence.It was unenforceable so was scrapped.

[colin lad]

Its not always the owners fault as people keep saying, i know some times it is but my wife's friend whose staff attacked her other dog then nearly had two of her fingers off certainly isn't an idiot or chav the dog was well looked after not bought up to be viscous. At the end of the day it turned nasty for no apparent reason and done a fair bit of damage as these breeds can if they do go off on one.

i would say in this case you are right there as last night i went round to take the vet bill and they were the nicest family you could of met the owners wife who is a primary school teacher was so upset about it she had to leave her class in tears that day she said they are now looking at getting rid of the dog as they didn't realise what it was capeable of,

they have since been round again tonight to bring round the money they also brought round a toy for oz and a bottle of wine for us as a small thank you for being understanding and not going off the top at them,

the bloke even said they are getting rid but if i still want to report them that he would fully understand and would not think bad of us,

 

a quick pic if just after attack

and a quick pic of oz today so on the mend

[Dirty Harry]

i think the whole point about my thread was the lack of interest by the police i know they cant go out and check every reported dog attack as like harry said it could of just been a dog on a lead barking at someone BUT the fact i did point out to the police it was a bull terrier of some kind (as i did not know what kind at 1st) and that it was loose in the street a street that would be full of school kids within a few hours, it was her lack of interest that got to me

 

colin

Colin, if you not happy with the response and you think you have a case then go into the station, take the dog, take photos, take the other persons details and see what they will do for you.

If you think it was a Pitt bull then you need to say so but if someone said to me that they saw a bull terrier type dog it would be low down on my list of things to do.

 

Glad your dogs ok and the owners are being good about it.