Shooting2 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Hi guys Just been looking on eley hawk website and come across the lighting steel 3" carts. TBH they look really good and write ups seem Prety good Have any you guys tried these carts if so would you recommend, thinking about buying couple hundred for next season. I have been using game bore super steel 3" 36g 5s but they dont seem to have allot of punch after 40yds+ Thanks, Kyle Edited March 31, 2013 by Shooting2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazepigeon Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 heard there ment to be the mutts nuts getting some in as coppin has some in dnt think theres any where else that has them in near us mate. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Hi guys Just been looking on eley hawk website and come across the lighting steel 3" carts. TBH they look really good and write ups seem Prety good Have any you guys tried these carts if so would you recommend, thinking about buying couple hundred for next season. I have been using game bore super steel 3" 36g 5s but they dont seem to have allot of punch after 40yds+ Thanks, Kyle No they wont have switch to 3's minimum. 40yds is pretty much full limits still if you don't want a load of cripples. I find after 40yds even no.3 don't have enough energy and rarely if ever adequately penetrate the breast on say mallard. I should buy a box of 25 first if I were you and test them on paper before birds, fast at the muzzle can mean poor patterns and it don't always mean significantly more energy at 40 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 As Kent says go up to a 3 in the Gamebore and they will do you just fine, or if you are shooting at long range Mallard the 3 1/2" Gamebore 1's are awesome. The general rule is go up at least 2 shot sizes in steel, so your steel 5's are in theory the equivalent to lead 7's which just aren't duck loads at anything other than close range. I have this year used the gamebore 36g 4's over splashes, but this has been at mostly sub 30 yards and on smaller ducks like teal and wigeon, they have done the job nicely but wouldn't want to be shooting Mallard with them regularly at anything more than decoy distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Hi guys Just been looking on eley hawk website and come across the lighting steel 3" carts. TBH they look really good and write ups seem Prety good Have any you guys tried these carts if so would you recommend, thinking about buying couple hundred for next season. I have been using game bore super steel 3" 36g 5s but they dont seem to have allot of punch after 40yds+ Thanks, Kyle 5s in steel are not the size for 40yard shots. changing the speed with different shells is going to do nothing. those 5s loose alot of energy. so if they get there on target, they wont do much. if i were you i`d try different shotsizes shch as 2s, the 36g loads you are using are large enough to have a high shotcount anyway. use 2s for everyday wildfowling. purchase the same shells in BBs as a dedicated goose load. i bet even both 2s and BBs could be used on all game adequetly, without the disadvantage minimal range. yes the 5s are like an equivalent to 7s, but shot at sub 1300fps its like lumping 8s at game. even #2s and #BBs at 1200fps will still do a decent job on normal "non-extreme" targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting2 Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I am wanting these carts for teal only and don't plan to shoot geese or mallard with them. I have found that the 5s do a good job on the teal as there is more shot. I was wondering if you guys have had any experience with these carts, and not what shot sizes you recommend/use/suggest I use. Thanks, kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Eley Lightning are impossible to get hold of in my area despite visiting 5 gunshops. As others have said go up to 3s even for teal in Gamebore Mammoths 3 inch. a mate has used them and found they wprked pertty well for him. I have used the new Eley steel VIP 32 gr High Performance in 5s and found them quite effective out to 40 yards if you feel the need for a dence pattern. But given the choice I would still go for no 3 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Eley Lightning are impossible to get hold of in my area despite visiting 5 gunshops. As others have said go up to 3s even for teal in Gamebore Mammoths 3 inch. a mate has used them and found they wprked pertty well for him. I have used the new Eley steel VIP 32 gr High Performance in 5s and found them quite effective out to 40 yards if you feel the need for a dence pattern. But given the choice I would still go for no 3 shot. Yup. I emailed Eley Hawk about where I can get them in N I. They said that they dont sell any cartridges direct to NI but to somewhere in ROI (where the lead ban has not yet been put in place) Basically I have little to no chance of seeing them any time soon. Sort it out Eley Hawk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfieri Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I have about 125 36g 3's available if anyone wants them. The boxes are all split but no marks on them. £30 collected Norfolk (Nr Diss) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfieri Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Apologies I have just counbted and have 4 full boxes and 9 (109) loose so £20 for the lot if anyone wants tom try them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Apologies I have just counbted and have 4 full boxes and 9 (109) loose so £20 for the lot if anyone wants tom try them. I am surprised you still have them at that price, good bargain for anyone close to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Apologies I have just counbted and have 4 full boxes and 9 (109) loose so £20 for the lot if anyone wants tom try them. A bargain. Pity I'm nowhere near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ive used those eley fast stuff , they are no better than mammoth just kick more ,still a decent shell but don't get carried away with the hype your not missing out if you can't get them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoggy Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ive used those eley fast stuff , they are no better than mammoth just kick more ,still a decent shell but don't get carried away with the hype your not missing out if you can't get them . Agreed, I much prefer my Remington Steel. The Eleys kick like a mule as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 people, all these shells Kick. it is a matter of physics. if you want shells to go 1600fps. the come with kick. there is no way to reduce the recoil, just due to the severe amount they give. an autoloader or a kickeze or gracoil / recoil management system will reduce the recoil. not every gun has these though. if you want high speed shells, you get high degree of recoil. you can even put the shells through a N/s recorder upon firing, to see the worst offenders. there is no chance of having super reduced recoil high performance loads. the shell companys greatly exadurate the speed of some shells. only by doing a analytical digest via proofing will you find out that standard weights at high speed recoil. all high speed loads recoil more than the standard speed equivalents. do not get confused about brandings and products either. there are shells called "super steel" and 1400fps doesnt sound super does it? the shells labelled "max game steel" dont even list a speed. so cant compare on paper even the hulls labelled solway steel have a rating of firm recoil, 1400fps the same as super steel. i`m deliberately not labelling brands, but the cip states steel shot should be labelled with "steel" just they put that in a branding format. i think everyone should research there cartridges. its cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoggy Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 I was expecting more kick I`ve shot enough cartridges to realise this. Its the amount of "Extra Kick" that took me by surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 I was expecting more kick I`ve shot enough cartridges to realise this. Its the amount of "Extra Kick" that took me by surprise. And me , they kicked more than some 42 gram steel loads I was using on the same flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 Interesting video on You Tube: Feild Testing Steel Shot (1980) by theavgeeks. Good watch and some great shooting. The bits on loads shot size and penetration will be of interest to the reload people. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Interesting video on You Tube: Feild Testing Steel Shot (1980) by theavgeeks. Good watch and some great shooting. The bits on loads shot size and penetration will be of interest to the reload people. Figgy if thats the tom ambrust video it is exellent. i had a steel reloader adamnt to use small shotsize for geese. i changed his mind and got him to reload 1s as acomptomise from BB. next season is the testing for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Cookoff013 The video is of Tom Roster testing the range and lethality of various steel loads for the Game and wildlife Department. Great watch. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) It is a good watch but alot is just plain old BS some of the ranges they claim to be shooting at with 11/8 oz steel in 23/4" shells !! no sorry even on the us forums they just thought it was a joke and I have to say I tend to agree Cookoff013The video is of Tom Roster testing the range and lethality of various steel loads for the Game and wildlife Department.Great watch.Figgy Edited April 11, 2013 by UK fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 thought it was great explaining the BBs are ace. some great #1 strikes. DRT or fatally imobilised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I know Tom Roster and he would take great exception at the suggestion that the film is somehow faked. It just happens that he is an exceptionally good shot and the film proves what a lot of us are discovering with steel, that it works well out to ranges that most people cannot regularly hit birds at and also that for most of us,our range judging ability is really not as good as we think it is. And I happily include myself in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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