kent Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 The problem is you get so many answers on the web and its hard to tell fact from fiction, after all if you look on here you'd assume the hornet was the best caliber for foxing as it gets rammed down any new members throat when the facts are its hard to buy one as they hardly make any they are that in demand The simple facts are its hard to work out who actually shoots and who is just reciting what they have learned from their armchair. Its easy to become an expert on the net Books at least have one opinion What's your specific problem with the Hornet? You have to consider then are you actually part of the problem with your own advice? Or are you the god of all knowledge . the good thing about Forums is debate, I can think of a few books that are less than perfect, good thing is the authors put their real names to that which they state as fact. Though Walts exist even in print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 well with that evidence its obvious farmers are the most dangerous group Perhaps the laughing man is misplaced when we are talking of such matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 The problem is you get so many answers on the web and its hard to tell fact from fiction, after all if you look on here you'd assume the hornet was the best caliber for foxing as it gets rammed down any new members throat when the facts are its hard to buy one as they hardly make any they are that in demand The simple facts are its hard to work out who actually shoots and who is just reciting what they have learned from their armchair. Its easy to become an expert on the net Books at least have one opinion Indeed, like I say a tailored answer, most of the books I've read are very good, but theres nowt there to argue the odds, you " must take the books advice be it good or bad for your circumstances. See where your coming from re the hornet, we all know the.223 is king ........... Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 What's your specific problem with the Hornet? You have to consider then are you actually part of the problem with your own advice? Or are you the god of all knowledge . the good thing about Forums is debate, I can think of a few books that are less than perfect, good thing is the authors put their real names to that which they state as fact. Though Walts exist even in print its fine as a hobby gun but its not a proper foxing caliber or a proper rabbiting gun its the jack of all trades master of none. Perhaps the laughing man is misplaced when we are talking of such matters? why you spoke as fact and came up with two examples to massively criticise the largest group of firearms holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 and as a reminder to all this happens to have hit the news today, would training help who knows as doesn't sound like they were new to the sport. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22063580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 its fine as a hobby gun but its not a proper foxing caliber or a proper rabbiting gun its the jack of all trades master of none. why you spoke as fact and came up with two examples to massively criticise the largest group of firearms holders. And has been produced and available for 85 yrs as a factory round. Before that it was a wildcat to such an extent that it was two years after ammo was commercially produced that anyone decided it was time to make a factory gun. Says a lot for a " non proper gun don't it" I think if you look back my original comments were made defending sporting shooters when some fool said only farmers and foresters should be issued FAC. I know many responsible farmers with guns, unfortunately we see the results of these over worked people trying to be all trades skilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) and as a reminder to all this happens to have hit the news today, would training help who knows as doesn't sound like they were new to the sport. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22063580 That is more than unfortunate, I wonder how much information will come out and what we will be able to believe, whatever, the reporting doesn't seem to sensationalised at the moment! Edited April 8, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Well firstly a fatality a young lad ( I am removing major detail here so as not to open old wounds) was shot and killed in the NW by a farmer wielding a .410 at rats. There was the farmer only a couple years ago who planted a .22 bullet into the kids head in the school yard (he was shooting corvids in trees). I was personally told by one farmer with a good 40yds experience how you can often miss a crow in a tree and have it take off and be intercepted by a mis guided .22 curving in over its head and see the strike. Problem stems from the fact that unless a farmer is a well known and proven barm pot they are given guns far more freely than those that have done training, visited clubs and have a real interest- who these days get a mentoring condition handed out as likely as not. Now find me a farmer that gets a mentoring condition! I am not anti farmer, this is my experience and I do live in an area were 90% of the population are farmers and am certainly no townie. To many farmers its a tool and all you need to know is point it and pull the trigger, has anyone wondered why you meet some farmers that are dead set against rifles? Could it be that they have seen the results of mis managing their use in the past and prefer to blame the tool rather than the user? Farmers and Foresters should not be treated as a separate niche but equally Specific farmer based data is not available, they only seem to record suicides for the group separately and I bet a good proportion of mis-use of crimes committed with licenced firearms comes under that heading in all groups. Data is just information as they say anyway "lies dambed lies and statistics" So basically, you recall one incident caused by a farmer with a rifle and you brand farmers as the most dangerous group of rifle owners. Quite some evidence !! I am reassured by your great knowledge. Edited April 8, 2013 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) For example has anyone on PW ever seriously advised someone to shoot a bird off a tree branch using a rifle (with the sky as a backstop)? Although I have never advised anyone to do this,I know quite a few people who do this,and not just with .22rf.There was also an article in 'Sporting Gun' some time back by Richard Brigham(?) covering this practise. Watched a retired Police Officer blast a Grey squirells drey to pieces with a .22-250 once. Edited April 8, 2013 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Crikey... But, not on PW though...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Things are fine just the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Watched a retired Police Officer blast a Grey squirells drey to pieces with a .22-250 once. Education wouldn't have prevented this, I'll bet the man knew exactly what the risks were and just didn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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