roughshooter Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Cheap spinners in all gauges I know the chap who is doing this and he is a great bloke - very knowledgeable www.gaepreloading.com Well worth a look Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I assume there is a difference between the No1 and No4 but can I ask what the difference is? I just thought a RTO tool was a RTO tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I am not an expert but I believe one gives a deeper crimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 it shuts the mouth / crimp at different depths, the deeper ones are for slow burning powders / low powder charge loads. the excess of the crimp, the crown, can be edged into feed into automatics and pumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Cheap spinners in all gauges I know the chap who is doing this and he is a great bloke - very knowledgeable www.gaepreloading.com Well worth a look Regards Graham Is it the chap who lives up near the solway? had one off him a bit back for a 10b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 do these go in a drill like an rto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Is it the chap who lives up near the solway? had one off him a bit back for a 10b. Yes - Kev Bellis do these go in a drill like an rto Yes they are an rto - just a posh one! I have to say the prices are very good. Cheaper than siarm and much cheaper than clay and game Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Ps I use a brass one on my 12ga 3 1/2" cases to finish off the final crimp - they look better than factory loads and I load them on a lee loadall!!!!! Edited April 8, 2013 by roughshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 i might try one then cos the one fron c&g don"t do a real good job is the brass one better then the steel on and whats with the numbers or is it just numbered for the depth of finish rto pc1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I personally would go for steel but the brass are fine - just cheaper. I would have a word with him about what number is best for you Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 cheers graham il drop him a line do you get a nice tapper on your hulls when spun up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yes they taper very nicely - That is waht I like about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Caution The deeper the crimp, the tighter the turnover, the higher the pressure. If in doubt get a sample proofed. Paladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Caution The deeper the crimp, the tighter the turnover, the higher the pressure. If in doubt get a sample proofed. Paladin Hope they learn the easy way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hope they learn the easy way! :good: I am all for that Floating Chamber i have 3 loads at test at the moment ( i like my eyes and hands ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 :good: I am all for that Floating Chamber i have 3 loads at test at the moment ( i like my eyes and hands ) Have you guys never eaten a pork pie out of date? or had unprocted sex ? as long as you are carefull and dont use maximum loads there should not be a problem Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Have you guys never eaten a pork pie out of date? or had unprocted sex ? as long as you are carefull and dont use maximum loads there should not be a problem Deershooter Never had one last that long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I worked 9 hours a day solving problems for a sporting cartridge manufacture. But did have access to a Proof Gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) I worked 9 hours a day solving problems for a sporting cartridge manufacture. But did have access to a Proof Gun. Same here, lol! Lead Crusher and Piezo. Edited April 10, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Have you guys never eaten a pork pie out of date? or had unprocted sex ? as long as you are carefull and dont use maximum loads there should not be a problem Deershooter DS, the problem with this attitude is muppets reload anything. a guy i know never researches his powders. he justs reads the side of a cartridge. he thinks 28g means 28grains of powder. and that all cartridges have 1oz in them. he buys any cheap powder, then loads with a table spoon. when i told him to read a databook. his reply was comical. "I aint reading no book, i aint at school" he has been responsable for 3 detonations and one wasnt even his gun, it was his friend, i can tel you, even a baikal didnt survive one of his homeloads. the barrels dissapeared on the first shot duck shooting. the reciever was absolutely mangled. even i have had loads come back hot from the proofhouse. its not embarrasing or shameful, the guys there are running a service to make sure we are all safe. thats the point. the guy i know has had some tested in the 80s. they came back with too much pressure. but he carried on. the problem with reloading and with all activities, there are some knobs out there. Edited April 11, 2013 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 To RTO cases obviously necessary, but to tidy up crimps i can not see why you would spend the time and money and the potential pressure increase, even the most common and basic reloading presses MECs have adequate adjustment to make very uniform tidy crimps, if adjusted properly so why touch them if the machine is set up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 To RTO cases obviously necessary, but to tidy up crimps i can not see why you would spend the time and money and the potential pressure increase, even the most common and basic reloading presses MECs have adequate adjustment to make very uniform tidy crimps, if adjusted properly so why touch them if the machine is set up properly. Because, with the like of the Lee Load All, the final crimp quite often leaves the end of the cart slightly hexagonal. This is a BIG issue if your using the shells in an Auto as they will not feed into the chamber smoothly. I understand why people use the spinner to taper and smooth the finished article, but MY loads are solely used in my O/U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 The normal cause of hexagonal cartridge ends is that the first crimp is too deep ,crimping the area where the rim will be folded along with a too deep center and not enough taper crimp if you adjust correctly you can get a factory finish try Hull Soverings or Pro 1 cases Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I make quiet alot of rto fawlling loads and the rto that i have dose the job ok but when you look at some that i have done and then look at some that have been done with a better rto there are a world apart. As for rounding up crimps its not needed all that much i had a full day loading yesterday and out of the 7-800 made i probly need to spin up 50 as i know they will not load into auto or o/u and the rto that i have got is not good for the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Because, with the like of the Lee Load All, the final crimp quite often leaves the end of the cart slightly hexagonal. This is a BIG issue if your using the shells in an Auto as they will not feed into the chamber smoothly. I understand why people use the spinner to taper and smooth the finished article, but MY loads are solely used in my O/U I understand why they use the RTO too, but my point is its not necessary if you have your machine set up properly, and if your cases are in good enough condition and you have the wad column correct. And if you do use a lee load all the addition of a small washer will do a job of forming a good crimp for nothing. And at 40 quid or 30 quid for a brass GAEP you are half way to buying a second hand Mec that you can adjust to get decent crimps and tapers with no RTO needed. If you need a RTO for your loading fine, but using one to tidy crimps up is ridiculous and potentially dangerous i think using one could raise pressures considerably far more than adding a washer to a lee ever could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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