Beansprout Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I've been looking to update my o/u clay gun for a while now with a max budget of £4000. I think I've narrowed it down to the Beretta 692 and the Browning B725 Grade 5. Both are very different clay guns but are pretty good looking in my opinion. Both feel and handle very well, although I am yet to shoot the 692. Before I commit to either, I would like to hear anyone's option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 For that sort of money, I would want a better gun than either of those. The 692 won't cost that much. The grade 5 just has better wood and engraving, which won't break more clays. Depends what you want. If you want something very nice to look at. or something made for the job. Kemen, Perazzi, DT10 spring to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMMER BURT Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 692 is not a nice gun to shoot to light and flighty but it does smash the clays well build quility is iffy for £2550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 For that sort of money, I would want a better gun than either of those. The 692 won't cost that much. The grade 5 just has better wood and engraving, which won't break more clays. Depends what you want. If you want something very nice to look at. or something made for the job. Kemen, Perazzi, DT10 spring to mind. That sums it up nicely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I would go for a 687eell or dt10 as tightchoke said,but my favourite is the eell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beansprout Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Thanks for all your comments, they've been really helpful. The second hand market wasn't something I'd looked into but definitely will do now. Cheers all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) for 4 grand i would be certainly looking at a used perazzi mx 8 sporter or a beretta dt 10 sporter Edited May 17, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Another good clay buster in that price range is the Blaser F3 Pro. Or for a bit more a Kreighoff K80. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhoward13 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 The 692 apparently has the same action and barrels as the DT11. if this is true it would make it a good buy. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 It dosent the Dt has a different action and barrels have different internal measurements, same steelium alloy and chokes. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 For that sort of money, I would want a better gun than either of those. ...... Kemen, Perazzi, DT10 spring to mind. Out of interest, what is it that makes these guns 'better' than 692 or 725. (I am not saying they aren't - just wonder what constitutes 'better') Will the chap shoot better with those, in the same way as a grade 5 will not help him hit more than a grade 1? Or are you referring to 'quality'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Out of interest, what is it that makes these guns 'better' than 692 or 725. (I am not saying they aren't - just wonder what constitutes 'better') Will the chap shoot better with those, in the same way as a grade 5 will not help him hit more than a grade 1? Or are you referring to 'quality'? In terms of the DT10 it is finished off in the Beretta custom shop. So seeing as the density of wood is different on each stock and the barrels vary in weight gun to gun you are getting someone to balance them up and hand finish the gun off, this doesn't happen on the 692 series. The balance of the gun can make a big difference to scores, however it's personal preference so you might not like how mr Beretta sets it up or you might prefer how the 692 handles so it is completely subjective. But the theory is that the gun has had some fine tuning rather than sent out the door as soon as it has comes off the production line. Edited May 18, 2013 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Out of interest, what is it that makes these guns 'better' than 692 or 725. (I am not saying they aren't - just wonder what constitutes 'better') Will the chap shoot better with those, in the same way as a grade 5 will not help him hit more than a grade 1? Or are you referring to 'quality'? the op might aswel get a baikal for £200 then if it doesnt matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Timps - beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Plenty of Choice at that budget, game or clay? Some that stand out: http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Krieghoff_Shotgun_K-32_For-Sale_130422171056754 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Blaser_Shotgun_F3_For-Sale_130214103354571 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Perazzi_Shotgun_MX8-Trap_For-Sale_130228115312066 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_687-EELL_For-Sale_130509140635447 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_B25-B53_For-Sale_120211150842001 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_Hereitage-Game_For-Sale_121020141400001 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_687-EELL_For-Sale_130420104056001 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_B25-B4_For-Sale_130108122527001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 browning heritage - just to be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) the op might aswel get a baikal for £200 then if it doesnt matter! I wasn't suggesting that at all! I didn't say it didn't matter.... I fully appreciate that there are benefits to better quality and better handling guns. I wasn't sure if these guns are better from a quality point of view, a handling point of view, or maybe both. These guns may be far superior in all terms. I certainly do not begrudge people spending that money on them either. Edited May 20, 2013 by rich_morris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 In terms of the DT10 it is finished off in the Beretta custom shop. So seeing as the density of wood is different on each stock and the barrels vary in weight gun to gun you are getting someone to balance them up and hand finish the gun off, this doesn't happen on the 692 series. The balance of the gun can make a big difference to scores, however it's personal preference so you might not like how mr Beretta sets it up or you might prefer how the 692 handles so it is completely subjective. But the theory is that the gun has had some fine tuning rather than sent out the door as soon as it has comes off the production line. Thanks - I didn't know that there was that level of work going into them (on top of a mass produced gun) - that's the sort of work that I guess is mostly hand finished, so therefore contributes a lot to cost...not obvious from their appearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 spend two hours in a shop handling both guns,then start picking up Parazzi's DT10,Ultra XS presiege(my gun) and see where the money goes,for 4K I'd be going down the used parazzi route without a doubt,after doing it with my Ultra XS the difference in balance is noticable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) try everything that the shop has to offer and then go to the next shop and do the same. £ 4000 is a hell of a lot of money to spend on a gun which you were recommended by the internet Edited May 20, 2013 by Elmer Fudd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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