Yet another fatal dog attack .

[njc110381]

So you only consider that "should" is good enough? when WILL be OK is the needed answer

 

KW

Of course I consider "should" as ok. People drive cars, trains, busses, planes etc after passing a test. We cross the road after being shown the correct way by our parents. We fire guns that can kill at a couple of miles after basic checks for suitability and need. Are these tests/checks 100% foolproof? No, they're not. Things go wrong on a daily basis when exceptions to the majority crop up. Should we ban guns? No. Should we ban cars? No. Should we ban ownership of a dog that could possibly over power you if it loses the plot? Same answer don't you think?

 

I've noticed that you feel quite strongly about this subject on a great many dog topics. Have you been badly hurt yourself in the past or know someone who has? If so I can perhaps see where you may be getting your strong opinion from and it goes some way to justifying it and I sympathise. But I really do feel that large dog ownership is one of those little risks in life that should not be banned. There are millions of large dogs in homes all over the world, many with children too. Should we really take that freedom away from all of these responsible owners because of the few mishaps that arise? I don't think that's fair. And what would you do with the dogs if it was to be imposed? Shoot them all? At what point does a dog become "safe"? Labrador? Springer Spaniel? Cocker?

[kdubya]

Of course I consider "should" as ok. People drive cars, trains, busses, planes etc after passing a test. We cross the road after being shown the correct way by our parents. We fire guns that can kill at a couple of miles after basic checks for suitability and need. Are these tests/checks 100% foolproof? No, they're not. Things go wrong on a daily basis when exceptions to the majority crop up. Should we ban guns? No. Should we ban cars? No. Should we ban ownership of a dog that could possibly over power you if it loses the plot? Same answer don't you think?

 

I've noticed that you feel quite strongly about this subject on a great many dog topics. Have you been badly hurt yourself in the past or know someone who has? If so I can perhaps see where you may be getting your strong opinion from and it goes some way to justifying it and I sympathise. But I really do feel that large dog ownership is one of those little risks in life that should not be banned. There are millions of large dogs in homes all over the world, many with children too. Should we really take that freedom away from all of these responsible owners because of the few mishaps that arise? I don't think that's fair. And what would you do with the dogs if it was to be imposed? Shoot them all? At what point does a dog become "safe"? Labrador? Springer Spaniel? Cocker?

Good lord I have posted what happened to my mate when his dog decided to have a bad day many many times on here, he thought it should be OK too

 

KW

[al4x]

there are large daogs NJ and there are breeds bred to fight and kill, they are't the same thing the average pit bull is not that heavy but it is right that they are on the dangerous dogs list and in theory banned. With the way the legislation was worded they should be extinct now but aren't due to dodgy imports which Kdubya will love as once again its the immigrants at fault

[njc110381]

A lot of good breeds were bred to restrain humans though. Alsatians, dobes, rotties, mastiffs.... Four bloody good breeds and I would happily own any of them.

 

Have you ever watched that little Mexican fella on the TV... His pit bull is as soft as you like. And where would that leave staffies, English bulls etc? Staffies are adorable dogs, it's their chav owners that need putting down! There was a huge staffy at the pub the other night in a harness with "I'm friendly" embroidered into it... Made me laugh!

 

KW - what can I say? Can't really argue with your reasons for your opinion. Is he ok?

[Gordon R]

My dog isn't cuddly, he would rip anyone apart if he wanted. He has had the chance to rip someone apart when they tried to attack my misuses, how ever he used reasonable force if that makes sense. He brought the person to the floor and only punctured his skin with one tooth

 

He could of ripped them from limb to limb but as he has had a good up bringing and knows right from wrong, he didn't.

 

 

A well reasoned argument, set out in terms that would offend no-one. Why would any responsible dog owner boast that their dog was capable of ripping someone apart?

 

Then again, the dog was trained to use reasonable force, making only one puncture wound. He knew right from wrong.

 

Perhaps the dog had the family judgement all to himself. :lol:

 

Edited May 28, 2013 by Gordon R

[njc110381]

Maybe because it weighs 60kg? Anything that has big teeth and weighs the same as a full grown man is going to be capable of making a mess. What he's saying is that it's well capable but didn't... Even when put in a position where one of it's pack was being attacked it did the minimum to control the situation.

[unapalomablanca]

As always, whenever a dog attack makes the headlines there is a drove of people coming on saying that their dog is as cuddly as a teddy bear!!

 

I wonder what proportion of owners who's dogs have attacked thought theirs never would?

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again...All "dangerous dogs" should be muzzled by law when out in public!

you dident go far enough, what should be the law is ALL dogs to be muzzled at all times, and on a lead at all times when in public. Couple this with eradicating these dangerous breeds and its job done. It wont happen, its only people of the lower orders who get attacked, not those in power. p.s. i forgot, it should also be compulsory for a dog to wear a nappy in public. As for cats, dont get me started.

[welsh1]

you dident go far enough, what should be the law is ALL dogs to be muzzled at all times, and on a lead at all times when in public. Couple this with eradicating these dangerous breeds and its job done. It wont happen, its only people of the lower orders who get attacked, not those in power. p.s. i forgot, it should also be compulsory for a dog to wear a nappy in public. As for cats, dont get me started.

Terry towel or disposable? Not that it would make much different to some round here, you would just find nappies in the trees instead of black bags.

[unapalomablanca]

Terry towel or disposable? Not that it would make much different to some round here, you would just find nappies in the trees instead of black bags.

i thought someone would like that You are right about the dirt bags swinging in the branches, see it all the time around here.

[Gilberts1989]

 

 

A well reasoned argument, set out in terms that would offend no-one. Why would any responsible dog owner boast that their dog was capable of ripping someone apart?

 

Then again, the dog was trained to use reasonable force, making only one puncture wound. He knew right from wrong.

 

Perhaps the dog had the family judgement all to himself. :lol:

 

Lol I sound like one of those chavs don't I. I might start leaning back when I walk him now so he looks out of control lol.

 

I didn't mean it to sound like I was boasting about it

[Gilberts1989]

Maybe because it weighs 60kg? Anything that has big teeth and weighs the same as a full grown man is going to be capable of making a mess. What he's saying is that it's well capable but didn't... Even when put in a position where one of it's pack was being attacked it did the minimum to control the situation.

Cheers for the back up there mate, you understood what I ment to say lol

[WGD]

Quite a lot of drivel posted on this thread.

 

The dogs that are the problem are only a very small part of the problem in a drug using, alcohol abusing, jobless underclass (not that I'm generalising or anything) and we're worried about who's got a bull cross.

 

When do we get upset about the assaults, thefts, car crimes etc perpetrated by the same people, but that are not reported on national news on a daily basis.

[karpman]

Quite a lot of drivel posted on this thread.

 

The dogs that are the problem are only a very small part of the problem in a drug using, alcohol abusing, jobless underclass (not that I'm generalising or anything) and we're worried about who's got a bull cross.

 

When do we get upset about the assaults, thefts, car crimes etc perpetrated by the same people, but that are not reported on national news on a daily basis.

Yep but this thread is about none of them other nasty things. It's about another fatal dog attack in case that slipped you buy lol.

 

Karpman

[gemini52]

Watched the bbc news at six they said it was not a baned breed.some sort of cross.

[njc110381]

I don't see why any breed should be banned, but I do feel that owners should be held responsible for their dog's actions. If your dog kills someone it should mean prison for not controlling it.

[scotslad]

My paper the other day said a Mastiff cross, surprised after 4 pages of post's very little relates to wot actually happened in this tragic event.

 

Seemingly the 2 dogs were in the owners garden and somehow escaped into the neighbours garden where the mastiff for some reason attacked him, paper said that he had burned a ham so opened door to let smoke out and dog attked him for the ham. Not entirely sure that would be a reason to trigger such a savage attack? Also the other dog never attacked which i find strange if 1 attacked i would imagine the pack mentallity would have taken over.

 

These dogs were in the owners garden so muzzles and leads are not really an issue. Possibly the garden should have been more dog proof, but sometimes not that easy, my young gwp is a little ****** for escaping, will not go throu my open gate unless he is told but sometimes manages to squeeze throu the tinest hole in hedge as soon as u turn ur back. He is really good natured but dogs on there own will bhave in a totally different manner to how they behave with u.

 

 

As for the debate about staffie type dogs not really my type off dog but that is a personal thing. I know a pro trainer with 60 odd gundogs in his kennel and his house pet is a staffie. As many have said in all these threads all about the numbnut holding the lead, althou in some cases breeding aggressive 1's to aggressive 1's will not help the breed one bit and some i'll thought out lines may be a nightmare and a million miles from the true nature of a well bred dog

[unapalomablanca]

I don't see why any breed should be banned, but I do feel that owners should be held responsible for their dog's actions. If your dog kills someone it should mean prison for not controlling it.

no, some people just cant see anything, no matter what evidence.