manchesterpete Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi all, Firstly I have no problem complying with this rule and have no complaints either as its no big deal, rules are here to provide safety for us all, im merely here to hopfully gain clarification on the reasons and better understand why it is a rule, i like to fully understand rules that I follow especially if when safety is concerned. Im a novice for a start so if its common knowledge please excuse my ignorance I want to learn as quickly as possible everything to do with saftey. Ive been to the local clay range a hand full of times at most and used an over and under all of that time, a great place that i enjoy. Today however I had a try with a semi auto for the first time (liked it more than I thought I would). I was notified that there is a rule of only a max of 2 rounds to be loaded into the gun at any time. Fair enough, I will comply with this no problem, my question is why? I can understand the rest of the rules they are clearly there to keep people safe and are no brainers but cant seem to think of a saftey reason why this rule exists. My only guesses are that this maybe an etiquette thing (maybe its a bit of a no no to let off 3 shots in quick succession, not that I would). Maybe they dont want to encourage people pumping out clays in quick succession as it might damage the machinery? Any insights anyone? The thoughts and advice of someone more experienced than I would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Never herd of this mite be just that club ?? I herd that its same when shooting on some marshes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 You do it because most clubs only have two traps per stand I.e two two clays. So it three are loaded there is a chance and I have heard of it happening that a person has walked out of the cage with one cartridge up the spout. It's purely a safety matter and there is no need for three cartridges in the auto on a standard clay ground set up. If you want to load three either do it in a field or at a specialist auto registered shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I don't know any clay ground in the country that would be happy with you loading three cartridges at once, unless it was a particular 3 load auto comp. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 At my ground there is a 2 cartridge rule ,the reason is they say is that if the 2 shots have been discharged in the cage and someone needs to go into the range to sort something out at one off the traps , the range safety person needs to know if there isn't another one loaded sorry if its a bit vague , but you get the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Some people use to put 3 in at start and then just slide two in the the mag after each pair until the last pair where they would just insert one fire the two shots leaving the gun clear and open, this was because autos seem to recoil harder when the bolt slams back and stays open. But the problem begins when joe blogs forgets and puts two up the mag on the last pair fire the two shots and walk out with one in the spout. Cpsa states only two at any given time on reg shoots. Just my opinion if you want to be as safe as possible stick with two and you can't go wrong. Edited June 9, 2013 by jayDT10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpete Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 You do it because most clubs only have two traps per stand I.e two two clays. So it three are loaded there is a chance and I have heard of it happening that a person has walked out of the cage with one cartridge up the spout. It's purely a safety matter and there is no need for three cartridges in the auto on a standard clay ground set up. If you want to load three either do it in a field or at a specialist auto registered shoot. At my ground there is a 2 cartridge rule ,the reason is they say is that if the 2 shots have been discharged in the cage and someone needs to go into the range to sort something out at one off the traps , the range safety person needs to know if there isn't another one loaded sorry if its a bit vague , but you get the idea Thankyou for taking the time out to educate a newbie here people i consider myself educated, I am dissapointed that I didn't realise it myself as it does make sense, i now see why it's enforced. Cant be too careful. Which makes me concerned as I have often heard a shooters letting off three at a time. I can now pass on my new found wisdom to them. Prefer my o/u anyway and have no need for three loaded at a time but was just curious as to why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 If in doubt just ask the ground rules ..... It is fun though letting off multiple shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpete Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Some people use to put 3 in at start and then just slide two in the the mag after each pair until the last pair where they would just insert one fire the two shots leaving the gun clear and open, this was because autos seem to recoil harder when the bolt slams back and stays open. But the problem begins when joe blogs forgets and puts two up the mag on the last pair fire the two shots and walk out with one in the spout. Cpsa states only two at any given time on reg shoots. Just my opinion if you want to be as safe as possible stick with two and you can't go wrong. Thanks for that it was my first go with one and i made sure the breach flag was in before stepping foot out of the cage, I just stuck to two in at a time as its no great hardship at the end of the day and now thats its been pointed out by yourself and others above makes perfect sense. I dont mind coming across a bit "dumb" asking questions when safetys concerned, the possible repercussions scare me a little to be honest so want to make sure i develop the right habbits from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpete Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 If in doubt just ask the ground rules ..... It is fun though letting off multiple shots Well seems at the moment a saiga would be what i need in order to drop them clays. Need to get down more i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you ever do shoot a dedicated auto shoot which allows full use of gun (3 shots loaded) they have a ref on each stand and they are instructed to pay special attention to make sure the gun is unloaded when the shooter leaves the stand. You will be amazed how many times I saw a shooter try and leave the stand with one still up the spout at the Benelli SP Auto shoot. To be fair most were O/U users that were not used to the auto but it did prove to me why the rule exists at normal shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The 2 cart rule in semis has been around as long as I can remember, and is based on safety. Frankly it is an unwritten rule, even where it isn't a rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 been around for years. it is a safety thing, and the format of comps 3 shots are rarely used (unless dedicated autocomp) its as said, to stop people leaving the cage with one in the chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Better to feel dumb for five minutes asking the question than to stay dumb forever never asking the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creeboy Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 2 carts only everywhere I've been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 No such thing as a stupid question, besides u don't want a spare round in the breech when its not needed, only lead to an accident No such thing as a stupid question, besides u don't want a spare round in the breech when its not needed, only lead to an accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 O/U 2 shots and the gun is empty. Should be the same for semis too. Everyone knows where they stand then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 You do it because most clubs only have two traps per stand I.e two two clays. So it three are loaded there is a chance and I have heard of it happening that a person has walked out of the cage with one cartridge up the spout. It's purely a safety matter and there is no need for three cartridges in the auto on a standard clay ground set up. If you want to load three either do it in a field or at a specialist auto registered shoot. Our club has a nitoce on each cage that you must only have 2 cartridges (Max) in your gun at any time for exactly this reason - It is a general safety matter even if it is not written in any rule books. If you ever have the misfortune to have someone leave a cage whit a shotgun that you know still has a live cartridge in and point the gun towards your a**e will definitely start tweeking a bit. Then you will understand why this rule is in place with most clubs. Believe me, I know how frightening that situation can be as we had it just over a year ago at our club - The member concerned got barred immediately after I offered/threatened to stick his (Loaded) shotgun where the sun never shines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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