Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Only went for a stroll to look for a rabbit n' squirrel but bumped into this young fox hunting. I sneaked in and she came my way some. Twenty yard shot through sticks, her neck was the best option. This is the round. Less than 5grns of Green Dot and a 158grn fmj reversed bullet. Sounds like a 2" .410! Underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 reversed bullet ?? please enlighten it looks a odd round .. well shot on the young un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 reversed bullet ?? please enlighten it looks a odd round .. well shot on the young un Yeah, a normal fmj 158grn bullet loeded backwards. That turns it into a flatpoint or wadcutter and imparts a little more disruption to small game verses zipping through. You'll be surprised how a fmj can just zip through stuff and it will leg it, even a .357! Exactly why I do not rate ft/lbs as a guide to cartridge or bullet performance! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Silly question but why not just use expanding ammo like everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Expense perhaps? (just guessing) nice tidy work there mate! Love seeing your lever gun getting some use - especially not with a scope! ( would ruin the look ) Edited June 14, 2013 by demonwolf444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 that's mad! do you home load them or buy them of the shelf like that .. iv never herd of firing a backwards bullet might try that in my 270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Silly question but why not just use expanding ammo like everyone else? The clue is in the title Alex. Cheap rabbit load. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 that's mad! do you home load them or buy them of the shelf like that .. iv never herd of firing a backwards bullet might try that in my 270 Reloaded by myself. Tis a boattailed flatpointed wide hollowpoint 357 is very versatile, was shooting at a piece of flint the size of a fox nearly 200yds away with a 180grn full power load after. Three shots and three hits . Then went back to rabbit ammo for the walk back. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 They must work ? I saw something on sky about doing that to shoot through tanks in the war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Exactly why I do not rate ft/lbs as a guide to cartridge or bullet performance! U. Would it be fair to add, 'alone', after "ft/lbs"? In view of post #3, I was going to ask about the legal aspect. However following post #8, there seems to be a change of bullet type. I don't think there's anything laid down about which way you're supposed to fire it, so a FMJ is a FMJ and a Hollow Point is a Hollow Point whichever way they're pointing. Does firing one backwards also reverse the legality/illegality of their use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't think there is a legal aspect to it is there Wymberley, you can use FMJ's if you like on game but just not deer AFAIK Its interesting its down to cost though as I just don't get the idea or logic and might suggest the ftlbs not being a guide to performance as being more related to using inappropriate bullets, as the Op does seem to have used PPU fmj's on foxes in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't think there is a legal aspect to it is there Wymberley, you can use FMJ's if you like on game but just not deer AFAIK Its interesting its down to cost though as I just don't get the idea or logic and might suggest the ftlbs not being a guide to performance as being more related to using inappropriate bullets, as the Op does seem to have used PPU fmj's on foxes in the past. Yep, I think you're right, but together with my first paragraph I was talking in general terms. My final sentence was also a little tongue in cheek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 gotcha must just be confused by this place today rabbits that are hares fmj's that work better fired in reverse its all a little much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Would it be fair to add, 'alone', after "ft/lbs"? In view of post #3, I was going to ask about the legal aspect. However following post #8, there seems to be a change of bullet type. I don't think there's anything laid down about which way you're supposed to fire it, so a FMJ is a FMJ and a Hollow Point is a Hollow Point whichever way they're pointing. Does firing one backwards also reverse the legality/illegality of their use? "Alone",,,,,possibly. Legality! I don't know about that one, should I care? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Well done, nice pictures! Edited June 14, 2013 by browning123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't think there is a legal aspect to it is there Wymberley, you can use FMJ's if you like on game but just not deer AFAIK Its interesting its down to cost though as I just don't get the idea or logic and might suggest the ftlbs not being a guide to performance as being more related to using inappropriate bullets, as the Op does seem to have used PPU fmj's on foxes in the past. Dear Mr Logical, just how was it inapproprriate to use an fmj? Are we the choice police today Alex? As per ft/lbs, a mathmatical equation that has no relevence in the field. It gives no acounting to bullet type and performance. Just when does the next council of crows hold their next meeting? Or is it here and now? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Interesting this, been reading about reverse mounting bullets for stability at reduced loads. Are they stabilising well? Have you had any pressure signs? How are they grouping? Been thinking about having a go but I'm too scared lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun jimmy Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well done, if it killed them stone dead then.... IT WORKS!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Nice interesting load I was reading up on a conspiracy theory about subsonic load for the hornet an eye opener if nothing else. Edited June 14, 2013 by Amazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Interesting this, been reading about reverse mounting bullets for stability at reduced loads. Are they stabilising well? Have you had any pressure signs? How are they grouping? Been thinking about having a go but I'm too scared lol They seem flat to about 50plus yards and sub sonic, after 80-90 they drop fast. I have five loaded with one more tenth of powder just to see if they are even better. I look through the peep at the lifted folding rear sight that is set for the small game loads of which there are two so far (it is awkward to aim like this but do-able especially if the apperture is removed) the first load is a 180grn fmj normal direction and sub too. These are flatter despite being heavy! Their shape is helping them for sure, but they also like to bounce! Hence my trials with a reversed bullet. I have not shot them at paper for groups! Just rocks and note their impact and call any bad shots. I have really struggled to get Hornady xtp's to shoot well at full power, that is untill someone pointed out the long leade Winchesters have and thus seating further out got results! Then it clicked why the reversed bullets do well, they connect the rifling earlier too! It is half jacketed bullets you have to watch ( forward), these often just have a small cup as a jacket and low power loads have been known to just knock the core out the cup and leave the cup behind forming a blockage. I understand all this can be avoided by simply switching to cast bullets of which when my current stash of jacketed bullets is used up I will take a closer look! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 should I care? U. Provided you stay clear of deer, nope. I would suggest that the Texas heart shot is the preferred choice - you know, back to front! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Nice interesting load I was reading up on a conspiracy theory about subsonic load for the hornet an et opener if nothing else. My old sub sonic hornet load was a case full of BL-C2 and a S&B 45grn fmj for which I made a die for to file the tip off. Not a great success but fun, one Hornet load with that bullet that was near to WMR performance made a good windy night rabbit harvester. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Blimey, I learn something interesting every day! Backwards bullets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincs1963 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 As mentioned earlier German troops discovered that by pulling the bullet heads and reversing them they had a fairly effective armour piercing round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 You my friend strike me as someone who enjoys your shooting, hat off to you. always enjoy the posts. Just waiting for someone to come along and say its "overkill" lol. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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