The life of a drug addict ...

[castletyne]

 

Do you include the person who's addiction stems from the fact that her mother prostituted her from the age of 8?

 

Funny, I've asked that question at least three times yet people seem intent on ignoring it.

 

J.

I would im not interested in the reason someone got into drugs they are adults now and should know better

 

Why should we have pity for them when they hurt innocent people every day to feed their habit

 

Do we also feel sorry for a child molester as he's only doing it as he was molested as a child

Edited July 1, 2013 by castletyne

[Rexcernui]

I would im not interested in the reason someone got into drugs they are adults now and should know better

Why should we have pity for them when they hurt innocent people every day to feed their habit

Do we also feel sorry for a child molester as he's only doing it as he was molested as a child

My wife is a criminologist working in this very area and works with drug addicts and sex offenders. I know that no one makes them into addicts and they don't want your pity, just a little understanding of their situation goes a long way, as for most sex offenders being themselves abused it is a proven fact that this is true, it in no way makes it right, ever. I think my wife refers to it as mirroring behaviour.

 

My step dad was abused by his father, and he then went on to molest my 11 year old sister. He did go to court and was found guilty, but for some Reason walked free from court with a suspended sentence.

 

Drug addicts can be given help to sort their lives out. Sex offenders are dangerous till they die, my step dad actually said " I didn't do anything wrong, she enjoyed it" there is no rehabilitation for sex offenders because they never repent so prison is the place for them.

 

Our legal system is unprepared for the treatment of sex offenders,and gives them too much freedom to reoffend which most of them do.

 

Help and rehabilitation should be offered to those who need it, not to those who just use it as an excuse to continue what they were doing before.

 

The recent events in the media regarding sex offenders, both the jimmy Seville case and the grooming of young girls by groups of Asian men highlight the fact that too many chances are given and that more punitive action should be taken.

 

 

 

 

My wife is next to me as I write this and she has asked me to add this. It will offend you and you might not believe it, but I will post it anyway.

 

Paedophillia is a sexual preference that's why these people don't feel that what they are doing is wrong and to them it feels normal.

 

I don't agree due to my own family experience but she is the one who is at the cutting edge of this area so I added it because she has proof and facts and I only have opinions.

[henry d]

I would im not interested in the reason someone got into drugs they are adults now and should know better Seriously? If a child is abused and does not grow up to be an upstanding adult then it is their fault, they should know better. That is just sick.

 

Why should we have pity for them when they hurt innocent people every day to feed their habit All of them? Every day?

 

Do we also feel sorry for a child molester as he's only doing it as he was molested as a child

[Gordon R]

I have some sympathy with prescribed drugs, but I don't believe it is so simple.

 

Is there a limit as to how much can be prescribed? What happens if the addict wants more than the prescription? What happens if a particular GP won't prescribe the drugs? Do addicts go to a GP who will readily prescribe? What happens if regular GP is unavailable and stand-in won't prescribe? Does the addict await GP's return or get some elsewhere?

 

I can see a cottage industry of new drug dealers - leaving aside the present illegality of such a system.

[castletyne]

 

 

I would im not interested in the reason someone got into drugs they are adults now and should know better Seriously? If a child is abused and does not grow up to be an upstanding adult then it is their fault, they should know better. That is just sick.

 

Why should we have pity for them when they hurt innocent people every day to feed their habit All of them? Every day?

 

Do we also feel sorry for a child molester as he's only doing it as he was molested as a child

I don't care what you think Henry

 

next time someones been murdered or robbed they will have to forgive them as its not their fault it was problems in their childhood

Edited July 1, 2013 by castletyne

[JonathanL]

Jonathan - you are man with a convenient memory. I don't have to do your homework for you - look back through your own posts.

 

You pop up with your extreme views - cut and pasting with some zeal.

 

I do worry about what goes on in your head.

 

No come on, you've made some allegations about me, care to back them up.

 

Like I said, I don't think that I've cut and pasted anything into this thread. In any event, I fail to see the problem with doing that if it's to illustarate your pont or back up what a person is saying.

 

What extreme views do you refer to? I presume that just because we don't agree on a few things that makes me an extremist?

 

J.

[JonathanL]

My only concern is that the NHS is straining at its seams budget wise at the moment, can it afford to prescribe drugs as well?

 

Herion is not expensive. No, it isn't free, but you have to balance the cost of prescribing it against the cost that drug addiction already costs the NHS. That's bfore you even start to examine the costs to the police, courts, prisons, private business, families and individuals. All of these costs are an immense burdon on society.

 

J.

[JonathanL]

I would im not interested in the reason someone got into drugs they are adults now and should know better

 

Why should we have pity for them when they hurt innocent people every day to feed their habit

 

Do we also feel sorry for a child molester as he's only doing it as he was molested as a child

 

At last an honest opinion. A pretty despicable one, but honest none the less.

 

May I ask, does your lack of sympathy also extend to the girls in Rochdale and other places who were plied with drink and drugs and essentially turned into addicts for other people's amusement?

 

J.

Edited July 1, 2013 by JonathanL

[henry d]

I don't care what you think Henry Nor anyone else apparently

 

next time someones been murdered or robbed they will have to forgive them as its not their fault it was problems in their childhood

 

It has really gone over your head hasn`t it, that is not what is being said at all. If we look at stopping the cause the effect looks after itself, to turn around and say that as an adult they should know better is ridiculous a person cannot grow to real maturity unless they have developed fully and that cannot happen if they have been abused, neglected, etc.

[JonathanL]

My wife is a criminologist working in this very area and works with drug addicts and sex offenders. I know that no one makes them into addicts and they don't want your pity, just a little understanding of their situation goes a long way, as for most sex offenders being themselves abused it is a proven fact that this is true, it in no way makes it right, ever. I think my wife refers to it as mirroring behaviour.

 

My step dad was abused by his father, and he then went on to molest my 11 year old sister. He did go to court and was found guilty, but for some Reason walked free from court with a suspended sentence.

 

Drug addicts can be given help to sort their lives out. Sex offenders are dangerous till they die, my step dad actually said " I didn't do anything wrong, she enjoyed it" there is no rehabilitation for sex offenders because they never repent so prison is the place for them.

 

Our legal system is unprepared for the treatment of sex offenders,and gives them too much freedom to reoffend which most of them do.

 

Help and rehabilitation should be offered to those who need it, not to those who just use it as an excuse to continue what they were doing before.

 

The recent events in the media regarding sex offenders, both the jimmy Seville case and the grooming of young girls by groups of Asian men highlight the fact that too many chances are given and that more punitive action should be taken.

 

 

 

 

My wife is next to me as I write this and she has asked me to add this. It will offend you and you might not believe it, but I will post it anyway.

 

Paedophillia is a sexual preference that's why these people don't feel that what they are doing is wrong and to them it feels normal.

 

I don't agree due to my own family experience but she is the one who is at the cutting edge of this area so I added it because she has proof and facts and I only have opinions.

 

In many cases they do though. It is not uncommon for people, usually quite young people, to be provided with drugs in order that they become addicted so can be used for crime and prostitution.

 

J.

Edited July 1, 2013 by JonathanL

[Gordon R]

Jonathan - you delight in playing Devil's Advocate, whether it is suggesting posters push the boundaries of good relations with the Police, or taking simplistic views of drug addicts.

 

I have observed the pattern of your postings and when you take a back seat. I have better things to do with my time than dance to your tune. Sometimes, what you post has merit, other times you appear to be a barrack-room lawyer and a poor one at that.

[malantone]

If only it was that simple people will only give up when they are ready to do it they lock people in prison for months and as soon as they get out they are on the drugs or drink again just look at people who stop smocking it took me over ten years and god nows how many attempts to do it before I stopped for good.

 

The trouble with prison is :- heroin and other drugs are available, ( illegally) no one goes `cold turkey` as there are methadone courses available, but convicts still pay inflated prices for drugs.

[JonathanL]

I have some sympathy with prescribed drugs, but I don't believe it is so simple.

 

Is there a limit as to how much can be prescribed? What happens if the addict wants more than the prescription? What happens if a particular GP won't prescribe the drugs? Do addicts go to a GP who will readily prescribe? What happens if regular GP is unavailable and stand-in won't prescribe? Does the addict await GP's return or get some elsewhere?

 

I can see a cottage industry of new drug dealers - leaving aside the present illegality of such a system.

 

I think they you will find that most GP's won't have too many objections to prescribig heroin to addicts. I seem to recall that the BMA and GMC are in favour, although I forgoet where I read that.

 

Even if some GP's wouldn't do it (and I don't know what their objection would be) then you have centres where people can go. Chemists give out methadone to addicts which has to be prescribed and that is reckoned to be a nastier drug than heroin (although not street quality heroin).

 

I don't really follow the other problems. The addict gets the required does of heroin and goes away. They aren't allowed to taking it with them so can't sell which they wouldn't want to anyway as it's free so they don't need the money for more.

 

J.

 

I don't care what you think Henry

 

next time someones been murdered or robbed they will have to forgive them as its not their fault it was problems in their childhood

 

And if the junkie who killed them had been given free heroin prescribed by the state he woulnd't have been robbing him in the first place so the victim would still be alive!

 

J.

[pegasus bridge]

regardless of the reasons behind someones addiction, IMHO they should be restricted as far as possible from having children. Either through creative schemes to get them to agree to long lasting contraceptive implants / injections or social services taking decisive, early action to permanently remove newborns. As harsh as it sounds, it is the only way to break this cycle of feckless stupidity.

[JonathanL]

Jonathan - you delight in playing Devil's Advocate, whether it is suggesting posters push the boundaries of good relations with the Police, or taking simplistic views of drug addicts.

 

That's true in part, I do enjoy a good debate. Problem is that 'debate' very often descends into name calling and irrationality in places like these because not many people are willing to actually evaluate what is being said and judge whether it may have merit or not.

 

I have never advocated pushing the boundaries of good relations with the police. What I have said is that the police are not always right (and neither are they always wrong) and if they aren't right, or if something is being done in a manner which isn't getting the job done then it should be pointed out in a reasonable manner. They aren't bull headed about everything and will reconsider stuff if its discussed with them.

 

I have observed the pattern of your postings and when you take a back seat. I have better things to do with my time than dance to your tune. Sometimes, what you post has merit, other times you appear to be a barrack-room lawyer and a poor one at that.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

regardless of the reasons behind someones addiction, IMHO they should be restricted as far as possible from having children. Either through creative schemes to get them to agree to long lasting contraceptive implants / injections or social services taking decisive, early action to permanently remove newborns. As harsh as it sounds, it is the only way to break this cycle of feckless stupidity.

 

 

If only that were possible!

 

 

I'm sorry but your use of the words "social services" and "decisive" seem an alien concept to me.

 

 

Here, here!

[henry d]

regardless of the reasons behind someones addiction, IMHO they should be restricted as far as possible from having children. Either through creative schemes to get them to agree to long lasting contraceptive implants / injections or social services taking decisive, early action to permanently remove newborns. As harsh as it sounds, it is the only way to break this cycle of feckless stupidity.

 

Sorry but that is absolute rubbish, how does stopping someone reproduce stop their cycle of dependency? Do we do this to those who smoke? They will, to some extent affect their children`s health and development.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

 

Sorry but that is absolute rubbish, how does stopping someone reproduce stop their cycle of dependency? Do we do this to those who smoke? They will, to some extent affect their children`s health and development.

 

 

Henry

 

It stops the cycle from continuing!

[Gordon R]

I'm sorry but your use of the words "social services" and "decisive" seem an alien concept to me.

 

Tightchoke - hard to disagree with that, sadly.

[henry d]

 

 

Henry

 

It stops the cycle from continuing!

 

So addicts breed only addicts? Really?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

 

So addicts breed only addicts? Really?

Not necesserally, but it would break the line!

[keg]

Legal or illegal...heroin is evil stuff, the issue is trying to break the addicts cycle. Get the addict clean through rehab or a programme and they may respond well but as soon as they slip back into familiar social circles, deadhead mates, no work, no family structure or support it all goes west...

 

The issue of substance abuse (I don't just mean heroin) is so complex with so many mitigating factors I believe it's not a simple legal / prescription / illegal argument. Underlying social changes surrounding families and communities need to occur to really sort the problem out.

 

If I'm honest I wouldn't know where to begin putting right the mess some people find themselves in. My take is this.....

My parents have always tried to keep me right and squared me up when I have made a mistake...BUT....even if I made a massive mess of my life I know they would still be there for me, mutual respect etc.

How many addicts have been that lucky with their home surroundings???

Just my six penneth.....

And very true I am black and white on most things drugs related but some, not all see it as the only way to handle what life has dealt them. A large percentage of those on the game are connected to drugs and then organised crime. The flip side is that there are eejits out there who will try anything to see if they can get high.

[njc110381]

Right then enough of this ******** about how "hard done to the smack heads are". From the age of about 12(i'm now 56 ) I've had it drilled into me that drugs are a one way street to no-where. Presumably these scumbags had the same message drilled into them .Therefore they have made their own informed choice LET EM ALL DIE.

Well I managed to get as far as this post with the intention of reading all before I replied, but this was so special I didn't make it! You are a moron fella - have you even watched the video that the OP posted? By the age of twelve half the people on there had taken heroin and it was given to them by their parents! Just because yours looked after you well (as did mine I should add) doesn't mean everyone is that lucky! If you had the girl's parents I can be 99% certain you'd be in her shoes now, so climb down off your high horse hey? She was getting banged by some filthy old bloke in exchange for £50 of heroin for her mother when she was in her early teens for christs sake. She had no hope!

 

It's a sad thing to watch. I've never understood how supposedly bright kids get stuck on it when their parents are decent people but they do too now and again. It really does seem like a try it once and you're in trouble kind of drug? I wouldn't know, I've always steered well clear of all of it - never tried any of them or smoked and I was in my late teens when I first got drunk. I've lost mates to drugs, to dig a bit deeper I may well lose a family member too if things don't improve but we're all at a loss as to what to do with her?!

 

The only good thing that came of that hour long documentary was that the girls baby died. I feel like a real cruel ****** for saying it but at least it missed out on the joys of drug addiction. It's better off dead than living like it's parents.

[kdubya]

Look... the only way to deal with the drug problem is to put the importers, dealers and smugglers out of business. We have not up to now been able to do that with policing and our capacity on that front is shrinking all the time so... if it has not worked up to now, how in the hell is it going to work moving forward?

 

Now read back to my post you failed to understand, we could quite easily put the importers dealers and smugglers out of business, the problem is those that have the capability of doing so don't want to,so can you figure out why?

 

KW

[keg]

Can we not get the SAS or army to remove the top guys?, saying that, nature abhors a vaccum...