ROBLATCH Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I meant maybe the FEO should read it He was telling you it was BASC backed, while they are campaigning against it on their website. agree totaly mate very misleading in my oppinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I know i would pass any drink or drug test the strongest thing I drink is diet coke Anyone would pass, surely? Unless, of course, you went to the test immediately after having had a drink which no one apart from the terminally stupid would do. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 i had my feo here two week ago for fac renewl ( i just missed it by one week ) and he tells me its a six month pilot scheme and if succesfull will be brought in to the application process They can "bring in" what they like but it will NOT be a legal requirement. The only requirement are the things which are specified in the Act or the rules made under the Act. Those rules are made by the home office, not individual police forces. You cannot be refused for failing to fill out a form or give a consent which the law does not require. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 SIH, in my opinion that's is what will happen, the powers that be, including the anti backed protection groups will chip and chip away until it is impractical or too costly to shoot, as opposed to an outright ban, forcing people to simply not bother. Monitored alarm systems and now medical tests, we'll be needing a second job just to pay for the cost of shooting soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkfloat Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Anyone would pass, surely? Unless, of course, you went to the test immediately after having had a drink which no one apart from the terminally stupid would do. J. Liver function test will tell them if you are an alcoholic even if you have not drunk for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Liver function test will tell them if you are an alcoholic even if you have not drunk for some time. Surely it will simply tell them how your liver is functioning? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Someone has to ask - did you end up with a criminal record for the slapping ? If so I doubt you will/should get your licence back. If not then good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 what next? biopsy of triggerfingers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Surely it will simply tell them how your liver is functioning? It will also indicate why it is functioning at a certain level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 whatever you get done ron, don't bend over while getting the medical mate you might get shafted again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Join BASC! Write to liscencing manager explain how FEO misled you, cite your PSV entitlement with medical if you have had one and explain you are not willing to undergo the tests unless they provide you with a good reason for them to require them (history of abuse) copy letter in writing to PCC and cheif constable giving them 7 days to respond! I had to agree to random drink/drug tests to get on a building site the otherday totally pointless but had to agree to the possibility of a test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Surely it will simply tell them how your liver is functioning? J. Its dodgy, there are indices that will suggest alcohol abuse but are also common in other illnesses such as leukaemia, but as others have said, and you, that liver function tests only tell a story through a very narrow window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanieboy Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Surely it will simply tell them how your liver is functioning? J. Quite correct - I know someone who underwent tests that revealed damage to her liver, was then interviewed by medical staff regarding her 'drinking habits' - she doesn't drink alcohol and never has. Turns out her condition has the same affect on her liver as excess alcohol does. Edited August 16, 2013 by beanieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I would be concerned that it was by a police doctor as it should be a independent doctor and if your licence was previously revoked for drink or Illegal substances offences the police may want satisfied this is no longer the case (not saying you were revoked for this reason) How is an independent Doctor defined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I'm not sure if they are legally allowed to request these tests. If you are a member of BASC or similar, I would phone them for advice. They can ask for pretty much whatever test/check they like if they have potential grounds to justify it. If you don't think they have the grounds then you can challenge them, and in most cases you will lose and not get a FAC, the courts will back anything that may be in the public interest these days against the rights of the individual where guns are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Let's say they did test you and you were over what ever limit they impose, as far as I am aware their is no law against having a drink so what could they say? Mr blogs you were over our non enforceable made up limit, yes officer I had a drink at home which is a perfectly legal thing to do. Mr blogs your liver test shows your a alcoholic, yes officer but they are only similaritys between the results and "symptoms", they don't give a definitive cause, maybe it's a underling medical condition. Then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Let's say they did test you and you were over what ever limit they impose, as far as I am aware their is no law against having a drink so what could they say? Mr blogs you were over our non enforceable made up limit, yes officer I had a drink at home which is a perfectly legal thing to do. Mr blogs your liver test shows your a alcoholic, yes officer but they are only similaritys between the results and "symptoms", they don't give a definitive cause, maybe it's a underling medical condition. Then what? They don't need specific limits or levels, they simply have to show a case why they consider you an unfit person, or frankly, talking FAC, it's more like YOU have a to demonstrate why you are a fit person. Example: What has it got to do with shooting if you got banned from driving through drink, if your guns were locked up at home? It's likely there would be a knock on the door just the same to remove your hardware. You challenge them if you don't think they have a case! Edited August 16, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Well I went for the medical today, I was asked a few silly questions nothing really relevant to shooting , then I asked the doctor if he wanted proof of my ID he seemed surprised and asked if I have I brought any with me I showed him my driving licence and my CPC licence, he asked what my CPC was I toild him it was for my PSV as im a bus driver, he asked if I was currently employed as a bus driver which I told him I was his reply was why do the police want me to take a medical then ? He then asked me to fill in a questionnaire sheet about how I felt in myself he read it then said cant see why ive been asked to take a medical shook my hand and let me leave it took all of 5 mins. So hopefully that's it and I will get a new SGC I will keep you informed either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Bit confused....in your opening post you say your FAC was revoked....your last post says you hope to get your SGC, which one was the medical for ? or have I missed something ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Seems like a waste of everyones time........... Do hope you have passed all this onto BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Bit confused....in your opening post you say your FAC was revoked....your last post says you hope to get your SGC, which one was the medical for ? or have I missed something ?? I had both before FAC and SGC I am just applying for a SGC at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Well after 16 months I have been told The police think I am not fit to hold a SGC but I can appeal and if I lose I have to pay costs, chelmsford fire arms dept say this can be up to £5000.00 has anyone else appealed a refusal and lost or won thier case as I do not have 5k spare if I loose?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Are you a BASC/CPSA member? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Afraid not as ive not been shooting in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Well after 16 months I have been told The police think I am not fit to hold a SGC but I can appeal and if I lose I have to pay costs, chelmsford fire arms dept say this can be up to £5000.00 has anyone else appealed a refusal and lost or won thier case as I do not have 5k spare if I loose?? Exactly what grounds did they state? Did you see the letter from the Doctor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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