Mr Majyk Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hello all, ive had a few questions from some of my landowners asking if i can do humane dispatch? my reply was simply, "i havent a damned clue" Does anyone know whats involved with a humane dispatch licence? I ask because i always like trying to help my landowners and if it wasnt to much trouble i might apply for one? but in all honesty i have no idea whats involved!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 if its livestock then just ask for it as a condition on your FAC and thats about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Many of our members are asked to help the police for example with Humane dispatch for deer on the roads and occasionally livestock too - we can and do add this to a member’s BASC insurance for free - they just have to fill in a simple form that’s on our web site. Some will use their long guns (properly conditioned as said above) some use handguns, and many find a silenced 410 is good for the job. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Majyk Posted August 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 well id imagine a handgun would be best, just for ease of holding it to the animals head with ease, rather than fumbling round with a full rifle. i will shortly be putting in for a .357 magnum long barrel pistol for use on my range, would this do for humane dispatch? with the correct conditioning of course, and of course that would then require expanding ammunition. the other thing is ive been offered money to do it! which i instantly turned down because if im correct being paid for any kind of vermin control or humane dispatch you then require a whole ton of expensive insurance? David BASC is this something you could offer more advice on? dont get me wrong, if i got paid to do something i enjoyed id be a very happy shooter! but the whole legality/insurance thing sounds kinda terrifying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think if you enjoy humane despatch you are probably the wrong person to hold a hand gun, being a bit of a sceptic I'd assume this is just a way of trying to get a handgun conditioned as no farmer I know has the requirement for a local to have one. The knackerman or a vet on the other hand is another matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think if you enjoy humane despatch you are probably the wrong person to hold a hand gun, being a bit of a sceptic I'd assume this is just a way of trying to get a handgun conditioned as no farmer I know has the requirement for a local to have one. The knackerman or a vet on the other hand is another matter Agreed, any fallen stock on our farm I dispatch with my 20b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Majyk Posted August 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think if you enjoy humane despatch you are probably the wrong person to hold a hand gun, being a bit of a sceptic I'd assume this is just a way of trying to get a handgun conditioned as no farmer I know has the requirement for a local to have one. The knackerman or a vet on the other hand is another matter Sorry i used the wrong phrasing there. In no way would i enjoy the humane dispatch side of things, it sounds a bit grim, but if it means i can help my landowners i dont mind it to much. what i said id enjoy would being paid for the vermin control i.e. rabbits etc. I already have a .22lr long barrel pistol on my ticket for target shooting. i have no real interest in owning a handgun (short barrelled restricted capacity thing) itd take up a slot on my ticket that i could use for something id use more often than once in a blue moon! I'll be putting in for a variation in the future for a long barrelled .357, would it be suitable to use this for humane dispatch? though its main use would be target shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 A long barreled pistol is no more convenient to use than a suitable calibre rifle or .410 shotgun, which incidentally is my favored tool for the job. Be aware that in many farm situations, such as concrete floors, large calibre handguns/rifles can be dangerous. The first thing you need to do is learn where to aim on the class of stock you are shooting and the second is to go out and buy a .410 shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Simply being paid a few quid to cover costs for example when you have to cull the odd beast would not be considered commercial by our insurers, setting yourself up as a part / full time pest controller is another matter of course! The BASC insurance only covers the recreational activities of members. With specific regard to the humane despatch of animals, the BASC policy would respond if the claim arose while a member was despatching an animal within the normal course of his or her shooting activity. If the police or some other party calls out a member specifically to despatch a wounded animal and that party is unable to provide the member with an appropriate public liability indemnity, then insurance cover can be made available, at no extra charge, upon the acceptance of an application to BASC. The form is on this page: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/departments/deer-management/advice/humane-despatch-of-animals-insurance.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Requests for dispatch happen occasionally and at close range the advice to farmers from DEFRA is to use a shotgun 12 or 20 guage. Either wlll kill very cleanly from close range (a few feet). Have done this myself and although not a pleasant experience, I would never use a centrefire rifle for the reasons given above, concrete floors etc. Make sure you know how to do this efficiently before you try and be prepared for the effect - its not pretty. If the animal is dangerous and you cannot get close then leave feed close to the position you can shoot from effectively and wait. if its beyond a humane range for a shotgun then a rifle is the only and best choice. Anyone can do this without a specific condition on their FAC - so my FEO told me, provided it is a one -off occasionally and not a frequent event - then you would need a specific condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 A long barreled pistol is no more convenient to use than a suitable calibre rifle or .410 shotgun, which incidentally is my favored tool for the job. Be aware that in many farm situations, such as concrete floors, large calibre handguns/rifles can be dangerous. The first thing you need to do is learn where to aim on the class of stock you are shooting and the second is to go out and buy a .410 shotgun. Any particular shot size in a .410? I'm assuming a .410 has the same limitation of a minimum of 9 pellets per cartridge on a SGC just like 12g? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Any particular shot size in a .410? I'm assuming a .410 has the same limitation of a minimum of 9 pellets per cartridge on a SGC just like 12g? Shot size does not matter a bit. From the distance one would be shooting it's basically a lump of lead when it hits the animal's skull. I use 6's because that's all my local shop sells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 There was a thread on this a while ago, but i think it's the sort off thing if u have to ask u possibly don't have the experience to do it. (No offence intended here) If u muck it up it could get very messy, depending on the situ. Really not worth the hassle I'd say the most important thing is to be reasonaly used t dealing with and reading livestock so u know when the best time to shoot is or when beast is least likely to move. The best knackermen i've had the misfortune to see in action where all very good stock men and knew how to work the stock to get the best shot (althou with a captive bolt gun) Basically not something that everyone should attempt unless u reall know wot ur doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I personally would tell them to do it themselves. I have being asked in the past and that was the reply they got. If an animal was injured and in pain I would reconsider. Edited August 19, 2013 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ask your local license dept for a variation for humane dispatch. All my rifles and shotguns are varied for humane dispatch . Any beast that is lying on the ground should be easy and my choice would be a 12 bore shot gun right up close . Any beast that is on its feet can be difficult with a shot gun if it is moving about because you may not be able to get close enough . In this situation the only answer is the full bore rifle if outside . If in a barn it can become to dangerous for a rifle and you will have to wait the right moment to use your shot gun . I do not recommend trying to dispatch large farm animals by novices . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 well id imagine a handgun would be best, just for ease of holding it to the animals head with ease, rather than fumbling round with a full rifle. i will shortly be putting in for a .357 magnum long barrel pistol for use on my range, would this do for humane dispatch? with the correct conditioning of course, and of course that would then require expanding ammunition. the other thing is ive been offered money to do it! which i instantly turned down because if im correct being paid for any kind of vermin control or humane dispatch you then require a whole ton of expensive insurance? David BASC is this something you could offer more advice on? dont get me wrong, if i got paid to do something i enjoyed id be a very happy shooter! but the whole legality/insurance thing sounds kinda terrifying! You don't need a 357 magnum for humane dispatch. A .22lr is quite sufficient at close range. But you do need a condition on your FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Majyk Posted August 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ask a question and get many answers thats what i love about this forum! well ive got a 12bore and the points raised concerning rifles is very valid, if i was to use a rifle i can say i wouldnt be daft enough to use it in a shed/barn or anything with concrete/stoney floor. im an experienced shooter and id apply all the rules to a safe shot. but the consensus of opinion is seems to be a shotgun is the tool for the job. when i next put in for a variation ill ask my FAO about humane dispatch. i cant say id be willing to do big live stock, id tell them itd be best to get the pro's in for that but something like a pig/sheep would be manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxop666 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 but a .22 is not as cool as 357,,,, there is crowd of people that think h/d is easy way to get a pistol,, h/d is a skilled often dangerous dirty 3 am callout in the winter sleet fog ect if it was restricted to 410 pistols how many would want one??? ps not saying thats why this chap wants one but look in the gun mags 9mm 357 38 ppks its like porn to the shooting man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxop666 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 you get stood next to a 3/4 ton angry injured bull or cow and have to shoot it correctly quickly often in the dark it makes your a,,e twitch like a rabbits nose its not pigeon shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I was once with a friend who was called out to destroy a bull, he grabbed his 270 and off we went.. ive been shooting for 20 odd years and it looked a horrid thing to do...it was all over very quick but the bull could sence what was happening and went mad, Jumping at walls and being massively aggressive.. I wouldn't do it and ive 20 years shooting behind me, as said 90% just want to get a pistol of some kind on there licence to show there mates or to brag on here about it..i think the guys who do it don't really like to talk about it..its a job that needs doing but its a job that needs to be done in private and as discreet as possible.. in my opinion leave it to the vets, farmers and the professionals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Shouldn't Evan think about dispatching livestock without any training !!! Being a farmer I still think twice about doing it ! Seen cows get up after BBs in the right spot !! Evan fallen stock people have troubles at times ! Seen many pros get hurt doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxop666 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 well said it aint pritty its the adverts in the mags section 1 that gets the dreaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I have HD on my ticket and I hope that I never have to use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 a 410 is more than capable go into the shed on your own don,t have an audience close the door behind you do the deed and come out job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I have HD on my ticket and I hope that I never have to use it Does your condition actually use the word dispatch, I only ask because everyone I've ever seen, mine included, uses the wording Humane Killing as per the HO approved condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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