CZ 425 hmr-What ammo do you use?

[the enigma]

 

I would not be too surprised if after 500 rounds the gun is "run in" and may behave slightly differently. Perhaps now a different brand of ammunition will behave a little better. Dare I mention cleaning?

 

I'd be delight if it's now got a liking for cheaper ammo.

 

I usually give it a clean after about 50 "ish" rounds,with the emphasis on ish.

[30-6]

Hi Dadioles,

 

Due to problem with arthritis, i can't shoot prone, so when i zero i usually sit and shoot off a tripod, then when out in the field i shoot standing off a tripod.

 

Last week i shot 30 ( 10 x 3 shots ) off the tripod standing, 100 yds zero, with target at 50 yds, the first 3 shots were touching ripping a half inch "slit" in the paper, the next three opened up to about an inch, by the time i had finished they were 2 shots 1/2 inch between centers with the third 1 1/2 inches away.

 

This was on a quite calm, little wind day. I cannot understand the varying impact points, from touching to 1 1/2 inches away. One thought is lack of concentration, boredom, call it what you like, to be honest - shooting a lot of shots in a short time is painful to me. When out in the field, if i shoot 10 shots over a couple of hours, that's a great day.

 

What do you reckon would be classed as good shooting, field conditions standing off a tripod, what sort of distance "between centers" ?

 

Another thing i think is, wobbly cross hairs of the scope is more noticable on a red bull on white paper target than on a furry rabbits head, so on a rabbit i feel i am on target, if that makes sense.

[dadioles]

Hello 30-6

 

I appreciate your problem with mobility. I am fortunate in not having arthritis but getting old and being unfit and overweight also takes its toll, getting up and down from prone is rather creaky and I do not like it.

 

I don't think your shooting is too bad. At 50 yards that is perhaps a slightly bigger spread than I would hope for but if I read you correctly all the shots were, in effect, within a 1 1/2 group and standing off sticks that is a lot less stable than prone using a short leg bipod.

 

When I shot at my local golf club it was easy to pick a raised bank, lie down and just wait for the rabbits to come out. The grass was short and with typical ranges between 75 and 110 yards I could take my time and head shoot the rabbits quite comfortably. Unfortunately they have had a big gassing operation, or something similar, and it has completely wiped out that rabbit population.

 

Now my best shooting area is a country park but the grass and plants have grown too tall for me to shoot prone and my night vision setup is rather heavy. I have tried standing and simply holding the gun but frankly anything more than about 20 yards and I would miss it as I cannot keep still enough. I then tried a bipod (two sticks) but again I am just not steady and accurate enough. Then I spent quite a bit of money on a "Bogpod" tripod with the Xtreme shooting rest and that was quite good, well made, light and fairly stable but not as solid as I would like.

 

Finally I built my own tripod out of a very substantial aluminium photographic tripod, removed the camera mount and bolted on a metal plate that engages with my bench cleaning stand. It is as solid as a rock and although rather unwieldy I can carry it around my permission and leave the gun resting in it quite happily.

 

My groups off this tripod arrangement are significantly wider than prone off a bipod but I cannot give you figures for using the hmr in this way as I use it with night vision and the .22lr but my guess would be something like a 1" group at 50 yards so you are not far off.

 

Something else that I have found is that my point of impact changes a bit depending on how I hold and support the gun. Obviously inaccuracy it is more obvious with distance as everything widens out more but I would not be surprised if you shoot slightly differently seated (short tripod legs) compared to standing (long tripod legs - less steady). This may be partly due to the way the rifle reacts when fired or simply the comfort factor and ability to stand still.

 

Given that you cannot get down into a prone position, could you try shooting a couple of groups using the gun on a table or some other very solid surface. In the garden I sit at a table with the gun on a short bipod and support the stock with a sock filled with rice (I don't have one of those nice leather sandbags). In this configuration it is as close to shooting prone as you can get (the gun does not know any difference - smile) but you are comfortably seated and can hold the gun extremely steadily. That may help you to determine how accurately you can shoot groups in ideal conditions. An opportunity to try a couple of different brands of ammunition.

 

I hope that gives you a bit of encouragement. It is a pity that Wales is not closer to South Cambs.

[Catweazle]

So I then pushed out to 200 yards, dialled in some info from Strelok. fired 3 remmys, 1" group

Take the remy box back to the shop and buy as many of that batch as you can fit on your ticket, then tell us what batch it was so we can buy the rest.

[wymberley]

Just my luck, damn it - Remington - the most expensive, at least in my neck of the woods, but it's the most accurate by a Devon mile.

[Dekers]

Just my luck, damn it - Remington - the most expensive, at least in my neck of the woods, but it's the most accurate by a Devon mile.

 

I wouldn't argue with that if it does 1" at 200 yards....... I am yet to achieve that with any HMR round, but it is only now and again I even try at Bisley at 200 yards with it!!

[wymberley]

200 yards!? I can't even see that far let alone shoot!

[Dekers]

200 yards!? I can't even see that far let alone shoot!

 

[team tractor]

I tried the other day at around 130 yards and achieved 1 1/4" off the van door with hornady. To be honest I can't see the Target after that with 12 mag

[lksopener]

Bullet on bullet @ 100 yards with .17gr vmax from Hornady. First bullet I bought and I have no desire to change.