David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 No one will pay less just because they are on benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Andy Marsh - Ch Constable of Hampshire is not happy abut fees not going up, he was on Twitter on Friday...perhaps this would be a good question for you to pose to him? David Ok, just joined..... How do I find him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Just try his name or Hampshire police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 he's HantsChiefAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 No one will pay less just because they are on benefits. Best thing I've heard in a long time:) The amount of lads I know that shoot while I'm a work thanks to being on benefits .aaarrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) No one will pay less just because they are on benefits. The way is should be as well, you should never be better off not working Pity you don't preach this to your superiors BASC Jobseekers Concession BASC recognises that while the UK economy is in recession some of its members may find themselves in special financial need. To help people in such circumstances those who can demonstrate entitlement to claim Jobseekers’ Allowance or Pension Credit at the time of their application or renewal of membership may if they so wish have their subscription reduced so that the amount payable is the same as the rate paid by BASC’s Supporters (£30 for 2012/13). They will continue to enjoy the full rights and benefits of membership including insurance and full advice services. Edited September 8, 2013 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 The jobseekers concession was decided by the elected members of BASC that make up Council and not the staff, and I know this is under constant review. At the same time of course we have held out membership rates since 2010 for all. The victory on stopping the fees rise of course will benefit all shooters equally. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 The jobseekers concession was decided by the elected members of BASC that make up Council and not the staff, and I know this is under constant review. At the same time of course we have held out membership rates since 2010 for all. The victory on stopping the fees rise of course will benefit all shooters equally. David But as you say supporters money should go to good use ie helping the sport through promotion etc. I personally don't think members hard earned cash should be wasted on the un employed. Just my view and I'm not even a basc member. Couldn't you use this spare money to make your new legal expenses cheaper for the full paying members, just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I take your point, and thank you very much for the feedback. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I would pay more for a more efficient service, and a charter where police authorities agree to stick to a rigid structure - non of this making it up as they go along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 But as you say supporters money should go to good use ie helping the sport through promotion etc. I personally don't think members hard earned cash should be wasted on the un employed. Just my view and I'm not even a basc member. Couldn't you use this spare money to make your new legal expenses cheaper for the full paying members, just a thought. I think your comments would carry more credibility if you were a BASC member, otherwise an unfair person might ask, "whats it got to do with you ?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I've just read on the BBC web site that the police spent over £600,000 on music for its staff last year, the Met alone spent almost £250,000, on another thread we hear of a PW member that was revoked for no reason and had to go to court to get his ticket back - the police employing a barrister at probably hundreds of £ an hour to fight the case they were bound to loose, they deliver in many cases an inefficient and cumbersome licensing system...do they try to save money and get smarter? No they just try to wring more money out of us! Join the fight to stop this madness join BASC, get your mates on board and together we will keep up the pressure and deliver for all! David Would it be churlish to ask if the license fee administration is taking up so much of the Police budget,why they are so reluctant to relinquish their authority to administer it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I think your comments would carry more credibility if you were a BASC member, otherwise an unfair person might ask, "whats it got to do with you ?". I was a basc member for quite a few years, I withdrew my services from them as I didn't agree where my money was being spent and this was one of the reasons I wasn't happy along with other things which I wouldn't post on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Scully, not churlish at all and a point BASC has put forward before. Luckyshot , I understand your point, and as I am sure you can appreciate BASC is a members organisation run by members. But back to the point of the thread - we have defeated the proposed fees rise, but at the same time I am sure fees will increase - BUT the increase must be reasonable and must NOT compensate for inefficient and cumbersome practices adopted by some licencing teams. We see plenty of licencing teams who run by the HO / ACPO guidance, turn around grants, renewals and variations quickly and efficiently, so why on earth cant all the others?? David Edited September 8, 2013 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I would happily have the fees double if the service provided and the timescales were brought down significantly and you could rely on things being done when they need to be. No ! Licencing is for the publics benefit (allegedly) therefore the cost should be borne by the public, Fees should remain the same. This is the thin end of the wedge, another means of keeping people out of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Part of the on-going review / campaign is to improve service and get slicker turn around - we will not accept paying more for a poor service!! David, I'd like to see BASC resist ANY increase. As stated elsewhere (by me), licencing is for the publics benefit so they should bear the cost. I agree the service MUST be improved and ridiculous "conditions" rejected but these should not become bargaining chips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2000e2000e Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 So there has been no increase since 2001, what has the increase been in the cost of a driving license application or passport, surely that could be used to just what a reasonable increase maybe, not the I'm pretty sure it will not be the 400% rise suggested. But well done BASC on beating the increase. Surely the time to move to online applications is here, big savings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Excellent news that there will not be an iminent rise and also good that the government/police seem to be approaching firther discussions from a realistic point of view. However.......the cynic in me is suspicious that this is simply being shoved back until after the bext election. 1.5m SGC holders are not people you want to annoy come election time. I think that the most significant thing that BASC (and everyone else) can do is to lobby for firearms licensing to be taken away from the multitude of police forces currently doing the job and placed into the hand of a dedicated national agency. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 There are loads of issues with the current licensing system. I would happily pay more for a better service but I am far from happy about paying more for the **** service provided currently. It's not all the fault of the staff either. The one for one point that was brought up on the first page is a good one - surely an RFD could be trusted to remove an item from a certificate and replace it with something else? My personal opinion is that a person should be allowed however many guns their safe can handle up to a maximum energy depending on possible quarry. From then on an RFD could be left to carry on - simply changing items and informing the police as they do now. I know the current law says that each item must be needed etc, but once that need is established why do you have to waste hours of time filling in four pages of junk to replace something as simple as a moderator? It's just plain daft! If the police only had to concentrate on grants and renewals their life would be simple and the fees could be kept similar to what they are now. On top of that folk like me who change things constantly would have to pay for the service of an RFD - Even though it would cost me more I think this is fair. Why should a bloke who has only dealt with his FEO at renewal time for the last twenty years pay for my messing about? It's hardly right is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I think it should be totally free of charge . I work and pay my taxes to keep the police in work so why should I pay twice ? Do they charge scroats that keep getting in trouble for stealing ? This is something I strongly agree with. The only reason (we are told) that we need firearms to be licensed and registered is that of public safety. If it's a public safety thing then the public should pay for it. You do not get charged for being rushed to hospital if you have a heart attack becuse it's paid for out of general traxation. The reason it's paid for like that is because preventing people from dying from heart attacks is seen to be a benefit to society. If firearms licensing is a benefit to society then it should be paid for by everyone. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Would it be churlish to ask if the license fee administration is taking up so much of the Police budget,why they are so reluctant to relinquish their authority to administer it? A very good point! The police do no other licensing roles and haven't for a long time. Licensing isn't police work. The police should not be doing it. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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