My dog attacked by another today whilst on public footpath.

[bicykillgaz]

GordonR- "The dog deserved a better owner"

 

It's usually the case unfortunately.

 

I love all dogs particularly larger breeds like mastiffs, Rottweilers and staffies too purely because I love the characters and personalities they have, I always have since been a child so it's not just some Chavvy ego trip or cock extension like some idiots you come across and there is plenty!

 

Staffies are some of the most intelligent dogs I've ever come across both intellectually and emotionally intelligent, even the kennel club refers to them as an excellent family pet it's a shame there is such a poor perception about them. Unfortunately for them there blessed with a powerful jaw that some people don't respect and others abuse.

[westmids1987]

even the kennel club refers to them as an excellent family pet it's a shame there is such a poor perception about them.

Only one of 2 breeds that kennel club reccomend for families with children (other breed is chesapeake bay retriever)

[wickenuk]

we have 2 dogs a rott and a staff both are males neither is neutered we walk them through the fields sometimes on footpaths,if no one is around they will be running free as soon as anyone or other dogs are seen we put them on leads not because they are nasty or likely to attack other dogs but because we recognise that some people are nervous of these breeds. both dogs wiil walk at heel off the lead and both are stock trained, often other people with their dogs see us put ours on the leash but leave their own running free sometimes their dog may approach often jumping around our 2 but we have never had a nasty incident from either side.the truth is its not the breed its how well they have been trained and socialised and another very important thing is plenty of exercise if you cant exercise your breed of dog adequately then your asking for trouble imo

[overandunder2012]

we have 2 dogs a rott and a staff both are males neither is neutered we walk them through the fields sometimes on footpaths,if no one is around they will be running free as soon as anyone or other dogs are seen we put them on leads not because they are nasty or likely to attack other dogs but because we recognise that some people are nervous of these breeds.

dog owners like this i dont have a problem having dogs like the staffy as they are responsible

[-Mongrel-]

I have no intention of muzzling either of my dogs and leaving them unable to defend themselves. I have no intention of keeping them on a lead when I walk them either.

 

Dogs NEED to be exercised, it is generally accepted that adequately exercised dogs are calmer and better behaved. You are not going to achieve adequate exercise for most breeds by lead walking them. Mine would comfortably do 5 miles and be up for 10 more if on lead.

Neither of mine are aggressive, I have never seen either of them initiate a scrap but both have been involved in dog fights. IF either become aggressive, then fair enough, I will put a muzzle on it, until then I won't put them in a position of being unable to defend.

 

I would be more than a little put out if laws were passed forcing this sort of thing on us because the 'chav' element (and I use the term very loosely, there are plenty of well heeled, inadequate dog owner/trainers,) insist on failing to train and control their dogs, leaving the rest of us to pay for their stupidity.

 

Oh, and probably unsurprisingly I'm with the OP on the subject of removing the dog, use the most expedient method available and if that's a swift size 10 so be it. If it was my dog doing the attacking I'd understand it getting a boot too. People are amazingly protective of their dogs.

Edited October 28, 2013 by -Mongrel-

[tigger]

I would have done the same and more if I needed to, also what if the "owner" had not fastened the muzzle correctly or in the attack it came loose and fell off that kick could have just saved the dogs life you don't know better to be safe than sorry IMO, there are no bad dogs only bad owners!!

[bicykillgaz]

if the dog was not muzzled i would be 100% behind kicking it till it backed off i had to do it to the lurcher i mentioned earlier, it just kept coming at mine then a lad came from down the road and grabbed its collar. if its clamped on your dog all you do by kicking it is pee it off more and cause more damage to your own dog through taring, best thing is hold them as still as possible and try to free the jaws, if theyve got a collar on grab it and twist it to start choking them till they let go. bull terrier types will always try to shake and tear whilst clamped on they dont need a size 10 to the ribs to encourage it once they've got hold.

 

i certainly wouldnt be admitting on an open forum to creating an offensive weapon to carry on dog walks with the intention of killing a dog, i should imagine you could kiss good bye to your guns if you got caught with it.

Edited October 29, 2013 by bicykillgaz

[overandunder2012]

I have no intention of muzzling either of my dogs and leaving them unable to defend themselves. I have no intention of keeping them on a lead when I walk them either.

 

 

if it were law you'd have no choice or you would lose your dogs,

 

i still think laws for muzzles would solve all this but with muzzles i see no reason why dogs should be required to be on leads as they cant bite. maybe it should be just dogs off the lead require muzzles so people could choose the lead or the muzzle either way their dogs not going to do any harm.

 

the current state of affairs is ridiculous having to throw dogs in canals and kicking them to protect your dog is an unacceptable amount of **** to go through just to walk your dog i think especially as its bound to escalate to conflicts with other owners

Edited October 29, 2013 by overandunder2012

[overandunder2012]

this is interesting like the bit about people getting 3 years if their mut kills a guide dog

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owners-of-dogs-involved-in-fatal-attacks-will-face-up-to-14-years-in-jail-8911106.html

Edited October 29, 2013 by overandunder2012

[westmids1987]

this is interesting like the bit about people getting 3 years if their mut kills a guide dog

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owners-of-dogs-involved-in-fatal-attacks-will-face-up-to-14-years-in-jail-8911106.html

Just caught the end of the news on radio talking about this,all sounds good in theory,particularly the part that households and bussiness's will be exempt if their dog attacks a burglar,but how would a dog know if its a burglar or someone ****** up and gone into the wrong garden?where would that leave the owner?

[overandunder2012]

Just caught the end of the news on radio talking about this,all sounds good in theory,particularly the part that households and bussiness's will be exempt if their dog attacks a burglar,but how would a dog know if its a burglar or someone ****** up and gone into the wrong garden?where would that leave the owner?

trespass = exempt not up to you to say anything else but a stranger entered the premises uninvited

Edited October 29, 2013 by overandunder2012

[Mentalmac]

Out of interest (Disclaimer: I don't and haven't and won't but just want to knoe hypothetically).

If you were off down to the woods and carrying a small legally carried pen knife (whatever the legal limit is I can't remember as I don't have one) - and a dog attacked your dog and by trying to help your dog it tried to attack you, where do you stand legally if you stabbed it to death? (Or even in fact if you did kill it with your bare hands anyhow)

 

Personally I like the sounds of holding it down and a bit of lead strangulation as per the before comments

[Imperfection]

There is a simple solution to dog attacks-carry a small can of deodrant like Brut.You dont need to aim at its eyes,but just near his nose and it will stop.Their sense of smell is much better than ours and something like Brut which is obnoxious to us is much much worse to them.

 

Yeah,i know its not ideal and yeah you shouldnt have to worry about inconsiderate owners,but this is life im afraid and there will always be a** hole dog owners.

[overandunder2012]

There is a simple solution to dog attacks-carry a small can of deodrant like Brut.You dont need to aim at its eyes,but just near his nose and it will stop.Their sense of smell is much better than ours and something like Brut which is obnoxious to us is much much worse to them.

 

Yeah,i know its not ideal and yeah you shouldnt have to worry about inconsiderate owners,but this is life im afraid and there will always be a** hole dog owners.

i must admit im going with the deodorant option,,, doggy mace

[-Mongrel-]

if it were law you'd have no choice or you would lose your dogs,

 

i still think laws for muzzles would solve all this but with muzzles i see no reason why dogs should be required to be on leads as they cant bite. maybe it should be just dogs off the lead require muzzles so people could choose the lead or the muzzle either way their dogs not going to do any harm.

 

the current state of affairs is ridiculous having to throw dogs in canals and kicking them to protect your dog is an unacceptable amount of **** to go through just to walk your dog i think especially as its bound to escalate to conflicts with other owners

 

But it's not the law and I'd do my utmost to help ensure it doesn't become law. This has parallels with the lead/steel shot debacle in as much as it's a minority of muppets doing the damage. But would you insist the majority are penalised because of that minority?

 

Why should responsible dog owners with non-aggressive dogs be forced to change what they do without good reason?

[Gordon R]

Whilst there is no blanket law saying dogs should be on a lead, there are laws regarding certain places and also local By-Laws.

 

If dogs owners are happy to put their dogs at risk - because others might have aggressive dogs not on a lead - then they have to live with the consequences of not having their own on the lead.

 

Keep them off the lead by all means but don't moan when they come to harm. You can't have it both ways.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Gordon R

[-Mongrel-]

Are you suggesting that they are safer on a lead Gordon?

 

I'd beg to differ on that one. Many dogs seem to feel more vulnerable on a lead and become agitated and more likely to 'lash out' far quicker than they do if off lead. If this happens then a bad reaction in return is almost inevitable, perhaps the other dogs sense that vulnerability.

 

This is not my two I'm referring to, they are reactive rather than proactive, but it's something I see regularly.

[Gordon R]

Mongrel - we will have to agree to disagree. The instance cited by the OP would have ended differently if his dog had been on a lead.

 

I am not familiar with the thoughts of all dogs - whether they feel apprehensive when on a lead, whether they feel the same on every occasion and the potential consequences. Bit of a quantum leap in logic.

[-Mongrel-]

Not sure what makes you think the OP's dog would have been safer on a lead, my reading is that the mastiff type would have attacked wherever it found the dog.

 

I am not able to discern the thoughts of all dogs either, what a daft comment. I am able to comment on what I've experienced though and that's all it was.

Edited October 29, 2013 by -Mongrel-

[Cranfield]

Dogs on leads are thought to become aggressive, as they feel threatened by the restriction when in the company of other dogs (not on leads).

I suppose the logic is that if all dogs had to be kept on a lead in public places (and the owners were capable of holding the lead), then there would be no dog fights, or people bitten.

[-Mongrel-]

Dogs on leads are thought to become aggressive, as they feel threatened by the restriction when in the company of other dogs (not on leads).

I suppose the logic is that if all dogs had to be kept on a lead in public places (and the owners were capable of holding the lead), then there would be no dog fights, or people bitten.

Flawed logic then IMO. I've also seen two dogs that were on leads tear chunks out of each other before the owners recovered enough to pull them apart.

 

Sometimes dogs fight, it's like people, it's pretty much unavoidable without putting so many restrictions on them as to make ownership undesirable or untenable. Even muzzled dogs will still rough and tumble and potentially injure each other. Where would you stop?

 

There's that many dog owners, I don't think any of the political parties would have the stomach for upsetting the majority of them with draconian legislation anyway.

[scotslad]

Mongrel is actually right that many dogs see a dog on a lead as a weaker dog and will attack because it is on the lead.

There was alad earlier saying his fairly powerful dogs have been attacked numerous times while being on a lead, i would off bet if his dogs were walking to heel off lead attacks would not off happened.

 

The biggest problem that u will never over come is that everyone thinks there dog is an angel!!!

Yet some still admit there dog canbe a bit 'bitey at times'

 

Theowners are the problem not the dogs. But if every dog was on a lead the problem would be solved.

 

Mongrel ur are right about exercise but sometimes ur better to exercise them mentally rather than physical.

 

But as a gundog owner it would be impossible to train a gundog if some sort lead or muzzle law came in.

[overandunder2012]

 

But as a gundog owner it would be impossible to train a gundog if some sort lead or muzzle law came in.

why you could do that on private land, likewise gundogs would not need muzzles while working as shoots are on private land.

[scotslad]

In scotland really no such thing as private land with all that right to roam ballocks.

 

Also i like many others will prob do a fair bit of training in towns or small patches off rough areas in parks or anywhere u can without having to drive to ur shot esp this time off year.

 

The big problem is the owners and i can't se how u will ever overcome it. No mater wot laws there is there will still be people who disobey or flout them.

[-Mongrel-]

...But if every dog was on a lead the problem would be solved.

 

Mongrel ur are right about exercise but sometimes ur better to exercise them mentally rather than physical.

 

 

Leads might work, except you'd have dogs chewing their homes to bits as they're inadequately exercised.

 

Mental exercise? Pointless! I have a Labrador!

 

The other one is a Ridgeback X Mastiff, so laid back he's horizontal, keep him fed and walked and he's happy as a pig in muck.

Edited October 29, 2013 by -Mongrel-