Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Been thinkn of getn myself a fox calibre as at this moment in time i only have a 22lr so been thinkn bout these 2 any 1 have the pros and cons of both rifles Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoyally Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I was in the same situation and am now waiting for my licence to get back so I can pick my .223 up! I decided on the .223 just really because I don't think if need the extra power of the .22 250... Also am gonna start the reloading and it's not as bad on the ole powder!😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 +1 for the 223 then. realisticly i would like a .243 but as i dont have a deer perm the flo has said no .243 for the now! Thanks for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 .22-250. Bigger is always better right? Tbh had a .223 and shot a few roe with it absolutely fine. Changed to the .250 purely because a gun came up for sale that I wanted more than the caliber change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 223 is fine for foxing, I've had both but in my opinion a 223 is a little more easy on recoil and doesn't sound like a cannon... It will do 99% of what a 22/250 will do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfgpm Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 The has the .223 cheaper amo back hear but the .22-250 is a absolut nice round ;-) Challange is to find the right amo which doesn't cause to much bruises. But when you found it and don't shoot thousands of rounds in a year I would buy the .22-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Cheers for the replys! Just out of curiosity tho a cuple of guys have mention 22-250 is bad for recoil! The thing is i will b using the gun with a yukon sentinal gen 2+ scope which is currently on my rimfire and wouldnt want to wreck the tube with recoil! I have fired a .223 a few times and i didnt realy think there was to much to worry about putting my nv on one of those but if the 22-250 is much worse then dont no if i would like to risk it! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Have you considered a .204 - I swapped my .223 for a .204 & it's awesome ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Its not something i have ever looked at m8 no! Tell me more!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Truth is you need to be further out than 99% of experienced shots would take the shot to see any tangible gain in effective range. Recoil is hardly noticeable in the two using the same weight of gun and a 55 grn bullet, it will be harder to moderate a 22-250 and it will burn the barrel quicker - perhaps for a 15-20% cost rise in re-loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 do what i did .......couldnt make my mind up so got both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Neither one is big enough. What you need is a 22 middlestead. Then you don't have to worry about range or ballistics... In all seriousness, just ask for a 22 centerfire. Explain that you want one of a 222, 223, or 22-250 but that you don't mind which as they will all do the job. Then you're free to choose based on the rifles that are available to you locally. rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Tell me more!! Super flat trajectory +/- 3" over 300yds. Very easy to stay on shot as very little recoil. Factory ammo usually just under £1 a shot - I don't reload so can't comment. Awesome Foxing tool + good for long range bunnies (long range for me) >350yds I'm sure some of the other .204 users will be along to add more positive comments shortly !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Recoil? I shoot a moderated .270 and even that isn't bad. Some of you guys must be soft I thought burning the barrel was more to do with lots of shots in a short period of time,(heat bring the problem)? Hardly going to do that shooting deer or fox. Zeroing I just give it plenty time to cool down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Cheers guys! 22-250 is a canon then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 It's quite noisy. But it's not bad. If say they all are noisy though to some degree. .223 will do most of your vermin jobs perfectly though. Sometimes I zap a crow with the .250 and it seems a bit much but then dead is dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 223 is fine for foxing, I've had both but in my opinion a 223 is a little more easy on recoil and doesn't sound like a cannon... It will do 99% of what a 22/250 will do... Agree on both points. Had a couple of 22-250, now use a 223. I have never had to reject a shot because I no longer had the 250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) +1 for the 223 then. realisticly i would like a .243 but as i dont have a deer perm the flo has said no .243 for the now! Thanks for the reply If you need a fox calibre for centrefire distances and have .243 in mind at a later date, which you seem to suggest, I see no point for the vast majority of people for a 22-250 and a .243. .223 and .243 will tend to be a better mix. A 22-250 will only give you a tiny benefit over .223 for fox, in a tiny number of instances, at increased ammo cost, barrel wear and noise, and give you no deer advantage whatsoever. Many spout on about fox at great distance, the fact is few achieve that, or genuinely need it, and if you have that requirement press for a .243 NOW as it will be better than a 22-250, otherwise .223! My circumstances may be different to most as I deal with a lot of urban foxes at close range with the rimfires, but I also spend time on the farms, Golf courses etc and deal with problem country foxes, they are creatures of habit and can generally be easily tracked or baited, making them a relatively easy target, after a bit of planning. The vast majority of even my country foxes are within 100 yards, with just the occasional opportunist fox taken at greater distance. Despite the impression created by some the world is not knocking down 300-400 yards foxes on a daily basis. Edited November 11, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 If you need a fox calibre for centrefire distances and have .243 in mind at a later date, which you seems to suggest, I see no point for the vast majority of people for a 22-250 and a .243. .223 and .243 will tend to be a better mix. A 22-250 will only give you a tiny benefit over .223 for fox, in a tiny number of instances, at increased ammo cost, barrel wear and noise, and give you no deer advantage whatsoever. Many spout on about fox at great distance, the fact is few achieve that, or genuinely need it, and if you have that requirement press for a .243 NOW as it will be better than a 22-250, otherwise .223! My circumstances may be different to most as I deal with a lot of urban foxes at close range with the rimfires, but I also spend time on the farms, Golf courses etc and deal with problem country foxes, they are creatures of habit and can generally be easily tracked or baited, making them a relatively easy target, after a bit of planning. The vast majority of even my country foxes are within 100 yards, with just the occasional opportunist fox taken at greater distance. Despite the feeling created by some the world is not knocking down 300-400 yards foxes on a daily basis. I would agree with you entirely. I originally had a 223, and then went for a 22-250 for the supposed 'better' ballistics etc., etc. I eventually went back to a 223 as I very rarely shoot foxes beyond 200 yards at night. With a 223 simply set it in 1" high at 100 yards and then anything between 50 - 200 yards will be extremely dead if you do your stuff, especially if you use V max bullets. Many dream about shooting foxes beyond 300 yards, but it very rarely happens unless you have very large fields to shoot over.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I shoot a .222 which has pretty similar ballistics to a .223. Lamping ranges, I love it. Very low recoil, very little smoke and flash. Don't regret buying it at all. My mate shoots a .22-250 which is a whole different animal, more muzzle flip, more smoke and flash. In the daylight, silly distances are achievable with the .22-250, but when you're lamping, you are restricted to yor lamp beam. They both do the job phenomenally well. Hard to choose between the 2, but if it's anything to go by, I'm not even considering changing calibres. Ammunition is a little more expensive for the savage. Big fat cartridge stuffed full of powder, even reloading will be more expensive. Don't get into the mindset that reloading will make things cheaper, it can do, but you're going for accuracy over cost. My .222 shoots 3/4 moa with Privi ammunition at £9.50 a box. Can't complain at that! Edited November 11, 2013 by SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Recoil? I shoot a moderated .270 and even that isn't bad. Some of you guys must be soft I thought burning the barrel was more to do with lots of shots in a short period of time,(heat bring the problem)? Hardly going to do that shooting deer or fox. Zeroing I just give it plenty time to cool down True in part. But its also got a lot to do with amount and type of powder relitive to the bore size. The .223 is genuinely kinder on barrels and one reason why the military discounted the .222 mag - a cartridge already on the shelf (the case donor of the .20 ruger) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosskingkinnaird Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was told by a friend to consider the .222 he dies swear by his! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was told by a friend to consider the .222 he dies swear by his! Now that might well be my choice out of the three, the dominator of the BR circuit for many years until the PPC and BRs. Capable of everything a .223 is in a fox hunters hands. Only downside is lots more .223 ammo about (or rather there was) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was told by a friend to consider the .222 he dies swear by his! Triple will also fit the bill, even more so if you intend to reload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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