gosbod Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Hi all just wondering what the effective range of a .22rf magnum is had one years ago cant remember mutch about performance and wondered if any one using one now and also what moderators are best on them ive had a17 hmr in the past when they hadent been out for long not mutch choice of ammo at the time i had one i couldnt get on with it up in the hills due to wind blowing it off target at at range it shot fine at when i was shooting in the lowlands sort of put me off em a bit any info would b a great help thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Maughan Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) If you didnt like the fact a .17 gets blown about then a .22 magnum is not the way to go. At 100yds in a 20mph cross wind the .17HMR is deflected 6 inches, the .22WSM is deflected 11.5 inches, ballistically the HMR is a much better performing round and the choice of ammo is much wider now. I cant think of many reasons why anyone would want a .22WSM other than is has a little bit more retained energy down range. Edited December 3, 2013 by Alan Maughan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosbod Posted December 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Thanks for the reply and info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 May as well get a hornet of some description Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Like said, bad move it drifts more. Get a .22 hornet about half the windage of a HMR unless you use 35 v-max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have a huge soft spot for 22mag. Close friend had one for years and nothing was safe this side of 175yds! The wind thing......everyone is after better wind performance! And when they get better wind performance.....oh look it still gets blown by the wind...... then they mis-judge the wind and still miss! Forget it! U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have a huge soft spot for 22mag. Close friend had one for years and nothing was safe this side of 175yds! The wind thing......everyone is after better wind performance! And when they get better wind performance.....oh look it still gets blown by the wind...... then they mis-judge the wind and still miss! Forget it! U Yes, but the idea is just to cut down the allowance error not cut the error out all together. Take bullet A it drifts 4 moa at a set range and speed lets say 10mph, estimate is 2mph or equivalent value angle out equaling 20% aiming error. Now Bullet B drifts 2 moa your wind is still mis read by the same 2mph but now your drifting only half the distance the same call error of bullet A produced. Its simply giving you some more leeway for call error that's all. The figures given are not a million miles away from a HMR and Hornet at just 100yards getting out to 150 and further things get even more relevant as the gap widens un evenly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I know matey....been there and got the T-shirt....I just don't lose sleep over it anymore. No dis-respect at all U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) It's a .22WMR, the WSM is a different animal. No argument that it is more wind effected than a HMR, but LESS than a .22lr, why is it we don't have masses of threads with people complaining how bad the .22lr is in the wind? .22Hornet is much more powerful, and more expensive in ammo, even if he reloads. The WMR has a place, whether it will suit the op is another matter, a 30g V-Max has a similar (although not as good) trajectory to a 17g HMR V-Max, as regards accuracy, they are good as well, but I have never achieved quite the accuracy of my HMR with my WMR. As I have said many a time, my WMR gives me a feeling of confidence, and I have never found the need, or had the urge to get a Hornet because it blows in the wind! I get out in a lot of different situations after a lot of different quarry, I have a use for .22lr, HMR and WMR, and centrefires from the .223 up, I don't have a requirement for a Hornet. We all have differing requirements, perhaps the OP wants to revisit the WMR or perhaps the .17WSM is something the op may consider, if they ever arrive in the UK! Edited December 3, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Never gave wind/ drift a thought when I had my .22WMR. Having shot it for years I knew its limitations and shot within them. Loved the boom rather than the crack, and liked the thump at the other end. Preferred the 40 grainers to the lighter loads; my rifle didn't seem to group well with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Never gave wind/ drift a thought when I had my .22WMR. Having shot it for years I knew its limitations and shot within them. Loved the boom rather than the crack, and liked the thump at the other end. Preferred the 40 grainers to the lighter loads; my rifle didn't seem to group well with them. My last WMR loved these 40g CCI But my new WMR loves the Hornady 30V-Max, awesome terminal ballistics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 sorry to hack this post, i have a extra slot for an .22rf(has to bolt action), i already have a .22lr and .17hmr, but wasnt sure weather to get another .22lr or go for .22wmg. how does it compare to a .22lr, -on price, ammo -range -sound what would be a good rifle to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 sorry to hack this post, i have a extra slot for an .22rf(has to bolt action), i already have a .22lr and .17hmr, but wasnt sure weather to get another .22lr or go for .22wmg. how does it compare to a .22lr, -on price, ammo More than .22lr, just less than HMR -range as per HMR in reality -sound as per HMR noisy but more bang than crack of the HMR, it's the most powerful, up to around 320ft lb, mine has a SAK, does for me! what would be a good rifle to buy? come on.................................. CZ It's a .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 thanks Dekers, usefull info, i will look in to getting one in the near future atb simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 thanks Dekers, usefull info, i will look in to getting one in the near future atb simon simon, if you or anyone else is interested I have a cz/brno .22wmr sat doing nothing that I would part with for a reasonable price. Let me know if you woild like details. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosbod Posted December 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Again thanks for all the replys to my question and i can c the pros an cons to each calibre i shoot crows at the mo with my remi 700 in .22.250 ar ranges frm 100 yards to 300 was looking for something else to shoot em with out to around 140 yards that isnt as expensive to run or as noisy as my remmie ive had a hornet loved it but i let it go as at the time had no use for it as was out wi 250 all the time i now have stopped re loading so wanted a off the shelfp round an rifle to shoot corvids out to above range most of em i decoy in to around around 120 yards its the big carrion crows i shoot at long range mostly and getting a good second hand hornet is a task theese days so with all things considered may b bk to the drawing board as they say thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Again thanks for all the replys to my question and i can c the pros an cons to each calibre i shoot crows at the mo with my remi 700 in .22.250 ar ranges frm 100 yards to 300 was looking for something else to shoot em with out to around 140 yards that isnt as expensive to run or as noisy as my remmie ive had a hornet loved it but i let it go as at the time had no use for it as was out wi 250 all the time i now have stopped re loading so wanted a off the shelfp round an rifle to shoot corvids out to above range most of em i decoy in to around around 120 yards its the big carrion crows i shoot at long range mostly and getting a good second hand hornet is a task theese days so with all things considered may b bk to the drawing board as they say thanks again HMR is the tool today, next year it may be .17WSM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) i know how hard is to get nice .22 hornet. but home loads can be as litle as 13-14 gbp/50 and it is nice round to shoot. perhaps .17 hornet Edited December 4, 2013 by alendil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 At the sort of range your talking about,and off the shelf ammo, hmr will do everything you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 It's a .22WMR, the WSM is a different animal. No argument that it is more wind effected than a HMR, but LESS than a .22lr, why is it we don't have masses of threads with people complaining how bad the .22lr is in the wind? .22Hornet is much more powerful, and more expensive in ammo, even if he reloads. The WMR has a place, whether it will suit the op is another matter, a 30g V-Max has a similar (although not as good) trajectory to a 17g HMR V-Max, as regards accuracy, they are good as well, but I have never achieved quite the accuracy of my HMR with my WMR. As I have said many a time, my WMR gives me a feeling of confidence, and I have never found the need, or had the urge to get a Hornet because it blows in the wind! I get out in a lot of different situations after a lot of different quarry, I have a use for .22lr, HMR and WMR, and centrefires from the .223 up, I don't have a requirement for a Hornet. We all have differing requirements, perhaps the OP wants to revisit the WMR or perhaps the .17WSM is something the op may consider, if they ever arrive in the UK! Most WMR ammo drifts more than .22 lr stuff (weird I know but true) In fact many .22 lr rounds in subsonic drift within a nats hair from a HMR at 100 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosbod Posted December 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Thanks again to all your input well apreciate it just to answer the pints abt .17 hmr i me just not a fan of it as had one dident like it and although i dont proffess to b the best shot in the world or a crack shor i can hit targets out to 300 yards with my 250 an take a charlies eye out at that distance an the same at 65 yard wi my . Cz 452 rimie on bunnies but have no faith in hmr just ad one an its not for me thanks to everybody again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I had a .22WMR for yrs and loved it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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