Old farrier Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Neither have I found any suprising realy as my dogs bring back anything dead no matter how manky Also I have struggled to find ingested shot in birds I have dressed but i have only been looking seriously for 5 years Thanks for your reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 You can still use lead for angling if it is No. 8 shot size and smaller, or a solid ledger of 1oz and above. Everything in between is required to be non toxic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought lead fishing weights have been illegal since 1970s or 1980s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Neither have I found any suprising realy as my dogs bring back anything dead no matter how manky Also I have struggled to find ingested shot in birds I have dressed but i have only been looking seriously for 5 years Thanks for your reply I don't find it suprising I'd actually be more surprised if someone said they had found birds in the said condition. Being the secretary of a fowling club I get to meet and speak with an awful lot of people who would likely find these birds going about their business, but to date and years of asking I'm yet to hear of anyone doing so. Maybe our collective eye sights aren't as good as the bods who supply the figures of the poisoned birds for the rspb and government bodies and any other bunch of do gooders that wish to jump on the wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 You're right the alleged problem won't disappear without some multi million £ clean up operation, but in 42 years of fowling inland and tidal I've never found or had a dog find one of these thousands of wildfowl that have died from lead poisoning. Just out of curiosity has any other member on here found any ?. Not me but I remember a tale about a "sporting agent" up here who was feeding a field and was shooting it heavily, the geese were picking up the shot as they grazed and many were found between there and the estuary in poor condition. Other than that, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCloggie Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I did the same very unscientific and the opposite dug up the dabbling area and panned it like for gold found shot and all sorts of stuff including a Dutch medal the thing is birds are (apparently ) still ingesting lead shot we aren't adding to it with our use of non toxic shot so are the figures wrong or is it getting into the system another way No solution just food for thought Just out of sheer interest, since I'm Dutch and ex Army, what kind of medal is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Not me but I remember a tale about a "sporting agent" up here who was feeding a field and was shooting it heavily, the geese were picking up the shot as they grazed and many were found between there and the estuary in poor condition. Other than that, no. I can't see that being relevant as the thing we're after is the ingestion absorption of the lead which I'm led to believe happens over a long period of time. Possibly a case of our European cousins being a little over zealous with their three shots and pricking a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 When you consider how many thousands of tonnes worth of lead bullets and shells went in to the sea in WWII and other battles... I can't see how a few pellets are going to matter. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 don't forget bird id is also very important, so worth studying up on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Just out of sheer interest, since I'm Dutch and ex Army, what kind of medal is it?Sorry haven't got a clue what sort of medal it is didn't thing it was military Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) A pair of ducks took off from a neighbours pond this morning and flew over my land, where I was sat with a loaded shotgun at the time. They weren't in range, I wasn't sure of the species but would I have been allowed to shoot them with lead shot or is that only over wetlands? Very windy today, pigeons, when I saw them, were going at the speed of sound Even if you had steel you shouldn't take the shot if you couldn't identify the species. Edited December 9, 2013 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 First prize in the tulip comp category maybe . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Even if you had steel you shouldn't take the shot if you couldn't identify the species. I agree, I wouldn't, but just wanted to find out if I could legally shoot the right species once I learn to identify them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 It is not surprising that few lead posioned duck are ever found. It takes up to 10 days tokill a mallard and for round half that period it will be unable to fly and vulnrable to being picked up by rats\foxes \ crows \ gulls ect. a Danish ecologist did an experiment where he scattered 100 dead duck around a non tidal marsh.Marked where every duck was dropped and returned a week later and could only find 3 dead birds. Scavangers had probably eaten the others. Lets face it millions of garden birds die every year , but how many do you find- very,very few. When I used to do a lot of duck ringing every year we used to catch a dozen or more duck with the early stage of lead posioning and this was over gravel pits with no shooting in an area of pheasant shooting estates with very little duck shooting. Make no mistake lead posions ducks. Its true lead has been shot over marshes for long periods and will still be present , in declining amounts as the pellets sink into the mud , but if we had not stopped useing lead there would never be an end to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmonster Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Make no mistake lead posions ducks. Its true lead has been shot over marshes for long periods and will still be present , in declining amounts as the pellets sink into the mud , but if we had not stopped useing lead there would never be an end to the problem. I have no argument for the above but do feel we've been spoon fed a load of exaggerated carp from the do gooders and everyone else that wants to see shooting decline. As in your earlier post how were they managing to find all these poisoned ducks we were informed about, they must be just luckier than the Danish chap . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 97./. Of dead birds not found in a week did he record how many pairs of wings picked up or piles of feathers found any recordings of other human visitors there a few questions to answer before one mans figures should be accepted A local could have picked them up and thought it was his birthday Not looking to dispute his findings and your probably a lot more informed than I am I just see a few flaws in his test Or a large number of predators on the marsh Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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