overandunder2012 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Someone who accidentally kills someone in a minor fight is not the same sort of criminal as Peter Sutcliffe or Ian Brady. To say that they are is an insult to the victims and families of all concerned. J. i see what your saying , and in the case of the car incident you mentioned and other such like incidents where there was no intention to cause harm let alone death i would agree but try telling it to a 1 punch murder victims family at the end of the day as you say its the intent that counts but anyone who throws a punch must consider the fact that the victim may not get up, in the cases of sutcliff brady ect they were given life means life so they were punished above the norm as they should be. point im trying to make maybe badly is all murder victims are someones family so who killed them is irrelevant all the family's will suffer unfortunately. its a bit grim this subject lets move on Edited December 19, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 He will probably do a year if that before he's murdered or commit suicide. Prisons ain't a good place for a pedophile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simjakcal Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 He will probably do a year if that before he's murdered or commit suicide. Prisons ain't a good place for a pedophile! you recon ? hes on a pedophile wing ! locked up with the same type ! bet their all having hours of fun swaping stories...........sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I don't really agree with that, to be honest. People don't do these sorts of things to criminals because the majority of people aren't psychotic monsters. Child abusers and murderers are released all the time but we don't hear of them constantly being subject to revenge beatings and killings. J. Yet its proven that most are themselves past victims, hence damaged. Yes he is Evil none the less. The courts view only the facts and we should applaud this long sentence. We do hear of people beaten and even killed often by mistake, its been in the news not long back. The authorities world wide are now gathering intelligence and no doubt some kids will be removed from harm and more criminals locked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yet its proven that most are themselves past victims, hence damaged. Yes he is Evil none the less. The courts view only the facts and we should applaud this long sentence. We do hear of people beaten and even killed often by mistake, its been in the news not long back. The authorities world wide are now gathering intelligence and no doubt some kids will be removed from harm and more criminals locked up Yes, there are cases of criminals, sometimes only suspected criminals, being beaten and even killed. These cases are most often carried out by mobs rather than individuals though. The point I was making about individuals, generally speaking, not being of a mind to willingly torture other people, regardless of what they have done, is still quite valid, I think. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 The particular point I was replying to was regarding murder though, not this case specifcially. Of course you have to make comparative judgements. There is no other way to do it and we do it all the time anyway and you've even done it in the quote above. The simple fact of the matter is that a person who had no intent to kill yet is convicted of murder because he hit someone in quite a minor way is in a totally different league to the likes of Ian Brady. You cannot treat them the same because they are not the same. To apply it to this case. The bloke who sleeps with a 15 year old a day before she is 16 is guilty of a similar offence and is a child sex offender, as is Watkins. To suggest that they should recieve the same sentence though is completely irrational. J. Jonathan - I sense you are a little touchy about criticism here. However, in answer to your post;- If one just used your parameters yes, I agree but he committed acts with a baby and the comparative assessment in your post which I found 'inappropriate' was trying to imagine the feelings of parents whose child was ...check your post. It is hard to be emotionally detached from such sub-human behaviour as this bloke exhibited. Also, as they say 'a bit of slack' for those who feel outraged would be a 'good thing' to do here. Hope you agree but if you dont - lets just agree to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermin Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 What about drink drivers that have been band in the past, but still drive when ****** knock someone off there bike and kill, they get 6 years is that justice, I think not IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDCREST Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 The Chinese used to have an interesting punishment/sentence...Cons were not allowed to do anything. and I mean not do anything, not even polish a pebble,no reading,no writing..they spent their entire sentence being allowed to do nothing whatsoever..except think. A few months of that and you'd be stark raving mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 The Chinese used to have an interesting punishment/sentence...Cons were not allowed to do anything. and I mean not do anything, not even polish a pebble,no reading,no writing..they spent their entire sentence being allowed to do nothing whatsoever..except think. A few months of that and you'd be stark raving mad. harsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 It more than a lot of people do here - think that is. A new variant on water torture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 All three should be put in coffins and buried alive. I really REALLY don't understand HOW people can hurt children... I can quite openly say, if I ever got wiff of anyone near my boy I wouldn't be accountable for my actions. So how ever a mother can do it to their own child is absolutely disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 The Chinese used to have an interesting punishment/sentence...Cons were not allowed to do anything. and I mean not do anything, not even polish a pebble,no reading,no writing..they spent their entire sentence being allowed to do nothing whatsoever..except think. A few months of that and you'd be stark raving mad. Perhaps a few years in the sensory deprivation tank? I guess if you have people with mental aberrations they wont be put off by whatever penalty is liable to be imposed. In cases like these the victims will have had no way of escaping the horrors inflicted on them, the punishment should perhaps include some aspects that totally take away the miscreants ability to self determine. Knowing that something dreadful is going to occur daily would be terrifying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 gary does make a few bob i heard just not in the uk so it is possible in terms of world wide sales lost prophets may still sell some depends if the records are still produced i guess i heard many americans dont even know garys history they still use rock n roll part 2 at sports events I read or heard somewhere that Gary Glitter still coins in around £130.000 per annum from royalties. Not sure if this is fact though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 35 is nowhere near the punishment he deserves he is a peado off with his head to stop anyone paying money for this scum cant see anyone having a problem with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 he's still making a bundle even in the nick it seems, he has a clothes company that are shifting loads and since his arrest he mad a 100k in record sales, that did surprise me http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-watkins-made-hell-fashion-2951520 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Harvest his organs. Let someone with failing heart, lungs eyes, bone marrow etc get some benefit from him. (All removed without anesthetic of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 We really just need to remove segregation in jails. Most of these problems would just go away and we could save a fortune in keeping these air bandits in luxury. I have a mate who works at Long Lartin on the Political Wing, makes you sick what strokes they are able to pull in the name of religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 he's still making a bundle even in the nick it seems, he has a clothes company that are shifting loads and since his arrest he mad a 100k in record sales, that did surprise me http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-watkins-made-hell-fashion-2951520 He'll never be able to spend it though. Also, there will probably be not a lot left after the inevitable compensation claims which will appear. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Just kill him, job done case closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I read or heard somewhere that Gary Glitter still coins in around £130 per annum from royalties. Not sure if tis is fact though. Just after he was released from prison it was reported that he had continued to make hundreds of thousands in royalties. Apparently, he was making £350K a year alone for the use of the chorus from Rock and Roll/Whatever as the signature tune/anthem for the Superbowl in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsmark Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 He wont do no where near 35 years, I have just read about this case http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Court-Appeal-hearing-killer-Dean-Williams/story-20052668-detail/story.html#axzz2oKd7ZKpc unbelievable he gets a sentence with a minimum 20 years but because he is an alcoholic and a brain scan shows he has possible brain damage as a result, there is a real possibility that he could be released soon. Have to feel for his family having to go through it all again in a retrial. British justice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 He wont do no where near 35 years, I have just read about this case http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Court-Appeal-hearing-killer-Dean-Williams/story-20052668-detail/story.html#axzz2oKd7ZKpc unbelievable he gets a sentence with a minimum 20 years but because he is an alcoholic and a brain scan shows he has possible brain damage as a result, there is a real possibility that he could be released soon. Have to feel for his family having to go through it all again in a retrial. British justice! invicta house is a right dump nothing surprises me there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsmark Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 invicta house is a right dump nothing surprises me there Maybe so but the scumbag doesn't deserve the right for a retrial, apparently it was (2005) the first case in the country where his past convictions was known to the jury before his verdict was decided. It doesn't give me much confidence in a sentence of 35 years being served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Maybe so but the scumbag doesn't deserve the right for a retrial, apparently it was (2005) the first case in the country where his past convictions was known to the jury before his verdict was decided. It doesn't give me much confidence in a sentence of 35 years being served. i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 He wont do no where near 35 years, I have just read about this case http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Court-Appeal-hearing-killer-Dean-Williams/story-20052668-detail/story.html#axzz2oKd7ZKpc unbelievable he gets a sentence with a minimum 20 years but because he is an alcoholic and a brain scan shows he has possible brain damage as a result, there is a real possibility that he could be released soon. Have to feel for his family having to go through it all again in a retrial. British justice! I really don't see the connection between the cases here. Any conviction can be subject to review by the courts if new evidence has arisen and just because some has in this case it doesn't automatically follow that other criminals will somehow get their sentences cut. This guy hasn't even had his conviction altered yet, let alone been let out, so I don't really see what the problem is. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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