old rooster Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Catweazle - write to your favourite publication and ask them about the good work that some immigrants have done. Perhaps they could confirm my own experience. The prison population has been massively enhanced by immigration - keeping up full employment for prison staff. Similarly, hospitals should be grateful for the increased trade. Perhaps pharmacists - for all the extra medicine. The local car wash - manned mainly by Iranians in my locale - who obviously pay taxes etc. One nearby crashed an expensive motor at the car wash - employee ran off - owner claimed he didn't know him. Begging has become a growth industry. Traffic light windscreen cleaners - none of them demand money - they just smile and do it for free. Many Police Forces have experienced workload increases - ask in Staffordshire if immigration has reduced policing. Interpreters - for Police Stations and Courts. Schools where English is not the first language of the majority of the class. Immigration Tribunals - brought in shedloads of work for briefs. I could go on, but rather than tax my brain, I will buy the Financial Times and join the movers and shakers with their head in the sand. Possibly part of your reference to medical implications but it is interesting to see the reemergence of some nasty diseases that had been eradicated from the UK until recently. Apparently we are even seeing cases of poliomyelitis again and TB is becoming more widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Again and again you are focusing on just one type of immigrant, why not look at the high net worth immigrants and the doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, business leaders? Is the answer "because they represent such a tiny minority of the overall number"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Falcon - I acknowledge the benefits that some immigrants have brought. My past posts will bear this out. I have cited the benefits to NHS staff many times. Sadly, there are an increasing number of immigrants who add nothing to the country. That is what I cannot sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 its all true the FT is staffed with a load of second rate journalists and economists from the likes of Harvard, LBS, Stanford, ***, direct links to the City and financial institutions world wide, do me a favour they don't know ****, if i had a couple of million to invest i would be straight into the Bolton Evening News That made me smile, and on that happy note I'll bow out because this isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Me too. Happy New Year to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Is the answer "because they represent such a tiny minority of the overall number"? Perhaps you should take a quick look at the Times rich list, not many British born in the top 20, maybe 3 or 4 and of those some are from immigrant stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 why not look at the high net worth immigrants and the doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, business leaders? We should be looking at why we need to import the above in the first place. What's gone so drastically wrong over the last 20/30 years that we don't seem to be able to educate enough of our own youngsters into these positions? We never used to have this problem...so where's it all gone so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 We should be looking at why we need to import the above in the first place. What's gone so drastically wrong over the last 20/30 years that we don't seem to be able to educate enough of our own youngsters into these positions? We never used to have this problem...so where's it all gone so wrong? Is it wrong to attract high net worth people to the UK? They bring money and jobs so plus, plus in my book. Most made their money abroad and have brought it to this country, it isn't as though by having Abramovitch over here we have somehow prevented a Brit from being a billionaire. You can't educate a kid to become a steel or oil baron, for that you need circumstance, ruthlessness and luck. In fact some of the reason we need the low skilled migrants is because we have over-educated our youth, telling them they need a degree and will be on 40K when they get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) We should be looking at why we need to import the above in the first place. What's gone so drastically wrong over the last 20/30 years that we don't seem to be able to educate enough of our own youngsters into these positions? We never used to have this problem...so where's it all gone so wrong abolition of student grants and those brits that become dr and nurses earn more overseas and better work enviroments so they bail is my guess also i bet the nhs like cheaper overseas versions due to cuts Edited January 3, 2014 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Again and again you are focusing on just one type of immigrant, why not look at the high net worth immigrants and the doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, business leaders? Lots of these proffesionals still cannot speak or understand the English language. My brother had a problem whilst on holiday in the west country,, and ended up at Haverford west Hospital, on returning home ,he attended The Royal Oldham Hospital and asked the specialist what had caused the problem, the coloured specialist advised my brother that he was suffering from TENBY.Yes these high end immigrants are a real asset to our country. I could go on. from Auntie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Lots of these proffesionals still cannot speak or understand the English language. My brother had a problem whilst on holiday in the west country,, and ended up at Haverford west Hospital, on returning home ,he attended The Royal Oldham Hospital and asked the specialist what had caused the problem, the coloured specialist advised my brother that he was suffering from TENBY.Yes these high end immigrants are a real asset to our country. I could go on. from Auntie. Coloured don't your cracking me up, was his problem waking up in a 1973 episode of "Love thy neighbour" Edited January 3, 2014 by chrisjh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I cannot believe the bigotry some people are displaying here. 100milesaway, if your brother did not like the 'coloured specialist' or was concerned on the 'coloured specialist's command of the English language (really, have you read the posts in here? most people seem to have the literacy of a five year old and they are proud to be British) he who no doubt was working his behind off in an understaffed and under equipped hospital he should have said so. You have no idea how important his views would be to the overworked, underpaid and unappreciated stuff who were there to help him and other ignorant people like you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) i know some asian lawyers that speak better english than most english and pay more taxes wont be a popular thing to say but true in my experience, of course im not saying all foreign professionals are like that. for the avoidance of doubt a professional isnt a hooker who contributes to society more a asian lawyer that is a permanent uk resident or an english farm worker born and breed thats the question i think each case should be taken individuality not massed into 1 stereotype Edited January 3, 2014 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Lots of these proffesionals still cannot speak or understand the English language. My brother had a problem whilst on holiday in the west country,, and ended up at Haverford west Hospital, on returning home ,he attended The Royal Oldham Hospital and asked the specialist what had caused the problem, the coloured specialist advised my brother that he was suffering from TENBY.Yes these high end immigrants are a real asset to our country. I could go on. from Auntie. Out of interest what was he suffering from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Out of interest what was he suffering from? 'Acute racistitis', by the sound of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Coloured don't your cracking me up, was his problem waking up in 1973 episode of "Love thy neighbour" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Out of interest what was he suffering from? Kidney stones. from Auntie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Kidney stones. from Auntie. according to my other half "a Nurse" Kidney stones are the worse pain imaginable, way way beyond childbirth, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I hope none of the people on here ever have the misfortune of being ill and not being able to understand the specialist. What the hell has that to do with racism. from Auntie,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 at the end of the day the only sensible solution is CONTROLLED immigration as britain needs imported skills but a open door policy to anyone is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 at the end of the day the only sensible solution is CONTROLLED immigration as britain needs imported skills but a open door policy to anyone is crazy Steady on chap, you'll be thrown out of PW for that tree-hugging, communist, bleeding heart liberal talk..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 at the end of the day the only sensible solution is CONTROLLED immigration as britain needs imported skills but a open door policy to anyone is crazy Yes and a kick up the **** for our own lot even if it means drastically reducing benefits and increase the wage to make it worth working. But greed will get in the way of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 sorry couldn't resist i hope your brothers OK, as i said Kidney stones are very painful, believe me I am a long way from being PC but the term "Coloured" is a throw back to the days when the word was used as a derogatory phase, it would be seen in shops, hotels, pubs "Whites only no coloureds or Irish" a lot of the older generation still use the term, quite often inadvertently to be honest first and foremost i would want my doctor to have a right good command of biology and medicine, English would be way down the list of prerequisites they could speak any language they like just as long as they knew what they were doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 We should be looking at why we need to import the above in the first place. What's gone so drastically wrong over the last 20/30 years that we don't seem to be able to educate enough of our own youngsters into these positions? We never used to have this problem...so where's it all gone so wrong? Universities offering bulls*** courses that have no worth in the real world. I know dozens of people who went on to uni and non of them have a job in the area they chose a degree in because they went to uni for the experience not an education. Most teens go to uni because there told they should do by their parents, they pick copout courses like history, sociology etc so they can leave with a degree after wasting their student loan on beer. 50% of the people I know failed there first year as a result of playing harder than they worked and the other 50% are either unemployed or in a job they would have got without the degree but too low paid to have start paying their loans back. It's a small amount of people who actually benefit from uni long term as it's only that small amount who go with a purpose and do relevant courses to the jobs they want. Prime example is my mate Steve, went to uni got all the loans available, wanted to be a primary school teacher, took sociology or something like that. Failed first year re did it passed first year, got board and quit, worked on switch board at bt then got a job at a car rental place but is now a self employed driving instructor, he paid £5000 to do the course funded by compensation from an accident at car place. Uni was a waste of his time its just worked out for him after having an accident otherwise he'd still be renting out cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 More Liebore smoke screen. Universities offering bulls*** courses that have no worth in the real world. I know dozens of people who went on to uni and non of them have a job in the area they chose a degree in because they went to uni for the experience not an education.Most teens go to uni because there told they should do by their parents, they pick copout courses like history, sociology etc so they can leave with a degree after wasting their student loan on beer. 50% of the people I know failed there first year as a result of playing harder than they worked and the other 50% are either unemployed or in a job they would have got without the degree but too low paid to have start paying their loans back.It's a small amount of people who actually benefit from uni long term as it's only that small amount who go with a purpose and do relevant courses to the jobs they want.Prime example is my mate Steve, went to uni got all the loans available, wanted to be a primary school teacher, took sociology or something like that. Failed first year re did it passed first year, got board and quit, worked on switch board at bt then got a job at a car rental place but is now a self employed driving instructor, he paid £5000 to do the course funded by compensation from an accident at car place. Uni was a waste of his time its just worked out for him after having an accident otherwise he'd still be renting out cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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