Ianholmes Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Hi All I've just started shooting with a berretta o/u silver pigeon, my wife know wants to try shooting, but she's has trouble holding gun, and recoil, can anyone recommend a lighter gun or would changing from 28gr to 21gr help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 21 g will have a little less recoil, try her with an auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherandSon Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 If its the weight of the gun then swapping cartridges wont help. If its the recoil thats bothering her then the lighter cartridges would help (Newtons laws of physics!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 The problem is if you get a lighter gun then there she will feel more recoil, could try 21 grams or subs? Just a thought as when I first had lessons I used subs and they don't kick its more of a push. ATB Oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 lighter cartridges will no doubt give a little less kick I am not a fan of auto's but most have next to no kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) 21 g will have a little less recoil, try her with an auto If its the weight of the gun then swapping cartridges wont help. If its the recoil thats bothering her then the lighter cartridges would help (Newtons laws of physics!) Both of course! The 20g Beretta is smaller and lighter, so that may help, but if you use heavy carts it will likely be worse! Many people (girls) use 12g, perhaps it is a matter of practice with a lighter cart, 21g are relatively easy and can deal with many applications! Edited January 19, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherandSon Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Stance is also VERY important! Watch a video on youtube, can't remember what is called but just stick in Jess Hatsan, pretty girl with a 12g and poor tuition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Too long a stock on ANY calibre gun can cause all sorts of problems, in particular the stock out on the upper arm and body weight on the back foot in an effort to support the weight of the gun. Can I suggest that she has at least 1 lesson with a reputable Instructor, who should be using a suitable weight and length gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Can I suggest that she has at least 1 lesson with a reputable Instructor, who should be using a suitable weight and length gun.+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Too long a stock on ANY calibre gun can cause all sorts of problems, in particular the stock out on the upper arm and body weight on the back foot in an effort to support the weight of the gun. Can I suggest that she has at least 1 lesson with a reputable Instructor, who should be using a suitable weight and length gun. Plus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 for most new shooters and especially women shooters, guns are too front heavy. They simply don't have the upper arm/body strength to hold a gun at length. My wife was the same. The answer is short, lighter barrels that aren't so front heavy and ensuring the buttstock is short enough to fit. After that, getting the stance right (new shooters tend to lean back to compensate for the heavy front end of the gun) and using light cartridges are the next bits. 21 g comp-x are my 12b go to cartridges for new shooters thanks to come reccos on here (clayman I think). If you're stuck with a 28" SP O/U with a standard stock, she will struggle until she builds arm strength and will probably give up sooner rather than later. Where are you located? thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Better off buying her a 1hr lesson with a coach, they will have suitable gun and loads and help with her confidence. If she likes it then you can start getting her shooting with your gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 5ft tall not big build, hands the size of a child Beretta SP 28" 12g, 13 1/3" stock, kick eez pad with a bit taken off the bottom so it rests properly - started with 21gm moved on to 24gm (my preferred) but quite happily use 28gm when the mood takes me. It's all about having someone show you how to stand properly - classic is to see a novice lean back no wonder they then get off balance, mount the gun properly in the right place because our boobs do get in the way sometimes and our bra straps can leave a horrible mark, practice at home mounting for muscle memory and strengthening our upper body and arms and eventually you get used to the weight of the gun. Also not spending so much time with the gun in your shoulder waiting, adjusting etc at the beginning we all do it and it is tiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 5ft tall not big build, hands the size of a child Beretta SP 28" 12g, 13 1/3" stock, kick eez pad with a bit taken off the bottom so it rests properly - started with 21gm moved on to 24gm (my preferred) but quite happily use 28gm when the mood takes me. It's all about having someone show you how to stand properly - classic is to see a novice lean back no wonder they then get off balance, mount the gun properly in the right place because our boobs do get in the way sometimes and our bra straps can leave a horrible mark, practice at home mounting for muscle memory and strengthening our upper body and arms and eventually you get used to the weight of the gun. Also not spending so much time with the gun in your shoulder waiting, adjusting etc at the beginning we all do it and it is tiring. Are you single? In my experience quickest way to put a lady off shorting is her hand her your 12 bore and 28+g carts and tell her how to shoot! Lesson, with the right instructor and gun is the way forward and often after a few lessons on a 20 bore buying a suitable 12 makes sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Are you single? In my experience quickest way to put a lady off shorting is her hand her your 12 bore and 28+g carts and tell her how to shoot! Lesson, with the right instructor and gun is the way forward and often after a few lessons on a 20 bore buying a suitable 12 makes sense! No married 22 yrs and with my husband for 30 yrs. I was not advocating an idiot showing a novice woman to shoot but an experienced shot male or female, no matter. I did say 21g carts to start and you do get less recoil from a 12g. If you spend time showing someone how to hold the gun correctly particularly as we do have boobs that get in the way sometimes, how to stand so that you are not off balance and don't be patronising (I know difficult for some) a woman will listen surprisingly. I may not let my husband where the pants all the time but I do recognise that after 20 yrs shooting he knows more than me. If I want a professional coach there are plenty to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianholmes Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm in wakefield, wife tried my silver pigeon, with 21g found it ok, but she's found gun too heavy, would a side by side be lighter for her ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm in wakefield, wife tried my silver pigeon, with 21g found it ok, but she's found gun too heavy, would a side by side be lighter for her ? SxS will be lighter but lighter = more recoil. Often a well fitted 12 O/U is better its about gettign the right balance and building the muscle memory. a shorter stock with a thick kickeez pad and shorter FC barrels can work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 5ft tall not big build, hands the size of a child Beretta SP 28" 12g, 13 1/3" stock, kick eez pad with a bit taken off the bottom so it rests properly - started with 21gm moved on to 24gm (my preferred) but quite happily use 28gm when the mood takes me. It's all about having someone show you how to stand properly - classic is to see a novice lean back no wonder they then get off balance, mount the gun properly in the right place because our boobs do get in the way sometimes and our bra straps can leave a horrible mark, practice at home mounting for muscle memory and strengthening our upper body and arms and eventually you get used to the weight of the gun. Also not spending so much time with the gun in your shoulder waiting, adjusting etc at the beginning we all do it and it is tiring. ^^This. The main problem In had when I started was holding 8lbs of wood and metal in position. Muscle fatigue was huge at the beginning. Now I barely think about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwoods Green Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 A girl I know shoots a Winchester Select Light with a Kick Eez and adjustable comb and 21 gr shells and loves it. They have a demo at Premier Guns which is why she bought one and they set it up exactly right for her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) My missus couldn't lift my semi (no tittering at the back Smith!!) when she tried - Best thing that she shot with was my S/S, because it was lighter and shorter. I think recoil hurts all of us when we first start - i know i had bruises the first 2 times i shot clays - but your body either gets used to it or you adjust your stance to deal with it. 21G carts do make a hell of a difference and will smash anything a novice is shooting at. Edited February 2, 2014 by Fatcatsplat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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