Dekers Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Unless something strange has happened you are still the legal owner, even if your certificate has been revoked. IF your certificate has been revoked you can have no direct involvement in the sale/handover, but the Police can/will make the transfer to the purchaser. Not knowing specifics I can say no more, sounds like you are getting legal advice, which would be my suggestion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I have spoke to police today theres no problem with putting guns on my mates ticket. ive got to put it in writing and they will contact my mate to collect them. I spoke to a solicitor tonight from NGO and hes advised me not to appeal he says it could end up costing me 6 grand!. he says im best off just leaving it 2 year and putting back in for ticket. he says durham police are worst in country these days for getting your ticket back on appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I have spoke to police today theres no problem with putting guns on my mates ticket. ive got to put it in writing and they will contact my mate to collect them. I spoke to a solicitor tonight from NGO and hes advised me not to appeal he says it could end up costing me 6 grand!. he says im best off just leaving it 2 year and putting back in for ticket. he says durham police are worst in country these days for getting your ticket back on appeal Tell the NGO man you dont want to wait, if you've done nowt wrong then there is no reason you should not have you ticket back asap! Edited January 20, 2014 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I have spoke to police today theres no problem with putting guns on my mates ticket. ive got to put it in writing and they will contact my mate to collect them. I spoke to a solicitor tonight from NGO and hes advised me not to appeal he says it could end up costing me 6 grand!. he says im best off just leaving it 2 year and putting back in for ticket. he says durham police are worst in country these days for getting your ticket back on appeal Am I correct in assuming you actually did assault someone but all charges have been dropped, and this is why the NGO have advised you to wait 2 years rather than appeal? Or were you just accused of assault where no assault took place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I have spoke to police today theres no problem with putting guns on my mates ticket. ive got to put it in writing and they will contact my mate to collect them. I spoke to a solicitor tonight from NGO and hes advised me not to appeal he says it could end up costing me 6 grand!. he says im best off just leaving it 2 year and putting back in for ticket. he says durham police are worst in country these days for getting your ticket back on appeal was that the man from NGO or the solicitor? was solicitor paid by NGO? Only costs if you loose..................... Edited January 20, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Am I correct in assuming you actually did assault someone but all charges have been dropped, and this is why the NGO have advised you to wait 2 years rather than appeal? Or were you just accused of assault where no assault took place? no never assaulted anyone was accused by some lass whos been giving me greef on fb for years. her hole family are idiots! there was some words exchanged but no assault. she got 2 of her mates to to say I did but I have 5 people to say I didn't so that's why police dropped case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) was that the man from NGO or the solicitor? was solicitor paid by NGO? Only costs if you loose..................... solicitor and no he wasn't paid by ngo they just recommended him. for him to represent me was going to be 4 and half grand ish Edited January 20, 2014 by consett shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 hmmm seems odd i can see it being that money if it went all they way to court (that would only happen if police were confident) although durham have a poor record http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/investigations/micheal-atherton-durham-constabulary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Police have unlimited resources, and no consequences if they lose. This is why being a member of BASC can be handy, if not for the advice of the ex-FEO's they have on staff, but the new legal cover too. This could happen to anyone. Edited January 20, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 no never assaulted anyone was accused by some lass whos been giving me greef on fb for years. her hole family are idiots! there was some words exchanged but no assault. she got 2 of her mates to to say I did but I have 5 people to say I didn't so that's why police dropped case Then I can't understand why the NGO have advised you to wait 2 weeks let alone 2 years, after all, you will be no more innocent in 2 years time than you are now. Perhaps a change of shooting representation would be in order.I would be searching for one with some balls. Have you considered suing those responsible for making the false allegations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 So, you were accused of an assault but all charges were dropped, your guns/certificates have been seized and legal advice says forget them and try to get them back in two years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 hmmm seems odd i can see it being that money if it went all they way to court (that would only happen if police were confident) although durham have a poor record http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/investigations/micheal-atherton-durham-constabulary after reading that your looking at 36 weeks for your appeal to be heard!! what makes me laugh is the hole six month durham police have had my guns ive had my shot gun ticketin house!! so if im such a risk to public I would of went and bought another gun and shot some body!! they are totally useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) after reading that your looking at 36 weeks for your appeal to be heard!! what makes me laugh is the hole six month durham police have had my guns ive had my shot gun ticketin house!! so if im such a risk to public I would of went and bought another gun and shot some body!! they are totally useless You still have in your possession a valid SGC?? But the police will not give you your guns?? So give the guns to your mate that the police hold, and he can give them back to you! And the legal advice is forget them for 2 years? Edited January 20, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 So, you were accused of an assault but all charges were dropped, your guns/certificates have been seized and legal advice says forget them and try to get them back in two years! im just telling u what he said I thought he would be up for the fight but I cant afford to be paying stupid amounts of money out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 You still have in your possession a valid SGC?? But the police will not give you your guns?? So give the guns to your mate that the police hold, and he can give them back to you! yep still got valid sgc they havnt been for it yet that's durham police for u!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 after reading that your looking at 36 weeks for your appeal to be heard!! what makes me laugh is the hole six month durham police have had my guns ive had my shot gun ticketin house!! so if im such a risk to public I would of went and bought another gun and shot some body!! they are totally useless YOu've been waiting 6 months already and for the 6 months durham have had your guns? If they haven't revoked your ticket in 6 months then why would they now? Your ticket has not been revoked, they want to you go away quietly and not be any work. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=specialist+firearms+solitcitor&oq=specialist+firearms+solitcitor&aqs=chrome..69i57.7685j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=specialist+firearms+solicitor&safe=off&spell=1 I would be looking for a second opinion! For all i know you could be the next Atherton.... Durhams procedures have been found seriously lacking in the past, as shown in IPCC report, but that does not mean they can make it up as they go along! As others have said you can represent yourself and win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 the reason it took so long the officer dealing with case went on long term sick so it took them agers to get another copper on job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 YOu've been waiting 6 months already and for the 6 months durham have had your guns? If they haven't revoked your ticket in 6 months then why would they now? Your ticket has not been revoked, they want to you go away quietly and not be any work. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=specialist+firearms+solitcitor&oq=specialist+firearms+solitcitor&aqs=chrome..69i57.7685j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=specialist+firearms+solicitor&safe=off&spell=1 I would be looking for a second opinion! For all i know you could be the next Atherton.... Durhams procedures have been found seriously lacking in the past, as shown in IPCC report, but that does not mean they can make it up as they go along! As others have said you can represent yourself and win. cheers for link I will give a few of them a call and see what they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 so they took your guns six months ago left you with a valid certificate and now say you cannot hold shotguns but you still have your current cert and they have not asked for it back.i would suggest the lawyer you spoke with does not know much about what he is doing.you may not have thousands to throw at this but would it not be worth a couple of hundred to get a couple of strong letters sent to the police might be the threat of going to court might shake them into some kind of action what is the worst that can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consett shooter Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 so they took your guns six months ago left you with a valid certificate and now say you cannot hold shotguns but you still have your current cert and they have not asked for it back.i would suggest the lawyer you spoke with does not know much about what he is doing.you may not have thousands to throw at this but would it not be worth a couple of hundred to get a couple of strong letters sent to the police might be the threat of going to court might shake them into some kind of action what is the worst that can happen. I will speak to a few more in morning see if I can get some better advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) the reason it took so long the officer dealing with case went on long term sick so it took them agers to get another copper on job SO basically it was a slow priority as it could be and they just want you to drop it? I suggest you write a letter to Chief constable, copy in the PCC, explain the situation about the malicious accusations, the lack of any charge or conviction and explain you are taking legal advice and wish to have your guns restored you within 7 days, give them 7 days to respond to the letter and take it from there. Get letter checked by a solicitor or drafted for £100 ish and see what happens, suggest you contact your shooting organisation and seek their advice. BASC have the best dept but if this all happened prior to you joining i don't think they will be able to do much. Have a read http://www.hodgkinsons.co.uk/shotgun-license.php also worth looking at recent articles in the shootign press... Edited January 20, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 the reason it took so long the officer dealing with case went on long term sick so it took them agers to get another copper on job That's not an excuse for in efficiency. Get a letter to the chief constable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sounds to me the revocation will be on its way I'm afraid ! The best thing for u to have done was sign ur guns over as soon as this happened ! And write a letter to chief constable you have done this and both sign it therefore making u less risk ! And possibly making yourself look better in the eyes of the police! It all sounds a big mess for you and I hope u get it sorted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 All I can say is if you have no revocation letter which allows you 21 days to appeal you have not been revoked ! I am at this moment in a simila position with Essex police, they have decided to revoke my fac and sgc for harassment to an ex over 4 years ago to which I must add was not true hence why the case got dropped . Essex police have visited me twice in them four years once to change address and once for renewal so why did they not take them then if I was a danger? They have also lied there back teeth out saying that they could not find me when I was on bail for five months yet in that time I went to court 3 times for ajurnment and to the police station at least twice one of which was for permission to go on holiday which was no problem the court is aprox 100mtrs from the police station, it's a joke...... But not for me as I have sent in my appeal within 21 days and got myself a barrister and a court date and maybe you should do the same ! This is my first post on here but I will let you all know if I win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 All I can say is if you have no revocation letter which allows you 21 days to appeal you have not been revoked ! I am at this moment in a simila position with Essex police, they have decided to revoke my fac and sgc for harassment to an ex over 4 years ago to which I must add was not true hence why the case got dropped . Essex police have visited me twice in them four years once to change address and once for renewal so why did they not take them then if I was a danger? They have also lied there back teeth out saying that they could not find me when I was on bail for five months yet in that time I went to court 3 times for ajurnment and to the police station at least twice one of which was for permission to go on holiday which was no problem the court is aprox 100mtrs from the police station, it's a joke...... But not for me as I have sent in my appeal within 21 days and got myself a barrister and a court date and maybe you should do the same ! This is my first post on here but I will let you all know if I win or lose. Good luck, keep us informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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