keg Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Michael Dugher, a Labour MP who represents a Barnsley constituency, wants the govt to say sorry about how the miners strike was handled. Thanks god Cameron had the balls to say no. As Frances Maude ( who I am not a fan of ) at least pointed out the intimidation and secondary picketing that went on... nice and gentle and lawful. Like the brick that killed a miner when it was dropped of a bridge in wales. Labour are on cloud cuckoo land at the moment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 At the moment ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Ok, you have a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 This was being debated on radio Wales today and got pretty heated towards the end, turns out that lot of people still have strong feelings about the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 It's still a hot topic where most of my family live in S Yorks 3 uncles and 2 cousins were miners, 2 worked for Scargill at the NUM....... Still divides the communities even now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 How ironic that labour want apologies when they can't bring themselves to admit their past mistakes,pot kettle black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 youd never get an apology from the cons or any of the big 3 for anything apologies involve a little sincerity and none of them have much of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 youd never get an apology from the cons or any of the big 3 for anything apologies involve a little sincerity and none of them have much of that Non of the big 3 politicians have any sincerity, most cannot even walk in a strait line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincs1963 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 If the political parties started apologising for past mistakes and poorly handled situations there would be even less work done in parliament! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) Similar to where i'm from both Mam and Dads family are from the mining community and i knew people who were on strike. Personally from what i can remember from the time, and from what i found out recently i think (in no particullar order), Scargill, the NUM, Police, The Governement, & Opposition MP's (from all parties) all made some pretty big mistakes in how they handled the situation, but who lost most?? In my opinion The working miner and his family. There wont be an apology from the Tory party. Cheers Aled EDIT Have a listen to on BBC Podcast for more info: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ukconfidential Edited January 30, 2014 by Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 What about an apology to the general majority over the 3 day week etc etc - we all make mistakes but the miners strike was the nearest this country has come to anarchy. The court cases Mr Scargill has lost is an indication. President for life - my God, Sorry no that would have been his next title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I still feel heart sorry for the lost communities regardless of who was at fault . johnnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I would like to see an apology from Scargill But there is as much chance of that happening as an apology from the politicians. I too live in an ex mining village and there are still families that don't speak due to the strike. Yes the whole thing could have handled better on BOTH sides, but it wasn't, so dredging up old greviences won't help anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smig4373 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) The mining villages were devastated in the mid to late 80's...I'm from north notts,mansfield to be precise...11 pits were closed in and around mansfield...2 in the villages where I came from.....mistakes were made on all sides,I doubt an apology would appease those who are still bitter,of which there are many... I too live in an ex mining village and there are still families that don't speak due to the True..same as where I'm from... Edited January 30, 2014 by smig4373 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Its got nothing to do with Cameron so why should he apologize having said that it is not nice to gloat the way that he does. we get the same thing with black people and slavery ok it did happen but that was long before we was borne and nothing to do with anyone living today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 There will be many here who will have dickie fits over it, but the day is not far away that an official apology over the tactics plod was allowed to get away with during the strike! WILL be made. Like is often said the truth will out. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 But Scargill will NEVER apologise :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 But Scargill will NEVER apologise :( why should he ? he was right was he not? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat 1 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Miners thrown out of work,beaten of the streets,whole communities destroyed,all to allow us to prosper with north sea oil. Are people that blind that they can't see how we all benefitted as a result of all that cheap oil. At that time one breadwinner could run the house. Now with the benefit of all that cheap oil two can't manage. Thatcher would have instructed the police and army to shoot the strikers if she had not got her way. One evil b***h. But then probably no worse than posh Dave,nick it all clegg and their side kicks who are "all in this together" with the rest of us,,,,NOT. Hopefully not as many paeodiphiles today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Miners thrown out of work,beaten of the streets,whole communities destroyed,all to allow us to prosper with north sea oil. Are people that blind that they can't see how we all benefitted as a result of all that cheap oil. At that time one breadwinner could run the house. Now with the benefit of all that cheap oil two can't manage. Thatcher would have instructed the police and army to shoot the strikers if she had not got her way. One evil b***h. But then probably no worse than posh Dave,nick it all clegg and their side kicks who are "all in this together" with the rest of us,,,,NOT. Hopefully not as many paeodiphiles today. I can see the foam developing in many mouths at this KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 why should he ? he was right was he not? KW He destroyed the mining community by not having a ballot and making the strike official If he had done so I believe they would have come out of it a LOT better than they did as they could have gone to the TUC and got full backing, But no....Scargill thought he was bigger than everyone.... That's what he should apologise for....his ego As an aside, living where I do and seeing the wastage that went on at the pits something had to be done, the amount of gear that went home from the pits on a daily basis was unbelievable, times that by the amount of collieries in the country and you start to see the problem, People clocking each other in, it was rife, but who cares....its was the taxpayer footing the bill...... "Deep breaths..... calm down"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Miners thrown out of work,beaten of the streets,whole communities destroyed,all to allow us to prosper with north sea oil. Are people that blind that they can't see how we all benefitted as a result of all that cheap oil. At that time one breadwinner could run the house. Now with the benefit of all that cheap oil two can't manage. Thatcher would have instructed the police and army to shoot the strikers if she had not got her way. One evil b***h. But then probably no worse than posh Dave,nick it all clegg and their side kicks who are "all in this together" with the rest of us,,,,NOT. Hopefully not as many paeodiphiles today. What about the pickets that killed the bloke in the taxi..... There was thuggery on both sides, My brother in law was a printer at the pit, his union wasnt on strike (so got nothing) but the abuse they suffered if they dared to go to work was nobodies business I'm out of any further discussion on this topic because it makes my blood boil on how innocent Scargill and the miners were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat 1 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 There will be many here who will have dickie fits over it, but the day is not far away that an official apology over the tactics plod was allowed to get away with during the strike! WILL be made. Like is often said the truth will out. KW from bitter experience the government have proved that apologies are given after they are dragged kicking and screaming to the alter of truth. Personally I think they are not worth the breath it takes to convey them. If our "betters" were to apologise for all their "mistakes" nothing else would be done. The motto used by government is do what we say and if it works out wrong(as it inevitable does)let someone else sort it in the future, we will be long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 why should he ? he was right was he not? KW From his perspective he was right, and the miners and the NUM got exactly what they deserved because of it. If you allow yourself to be blindly led by a pig with his snout in the trough then you'll get your just deserts. Those poor chaps at Grangemouth almost went the same way, led by the big earners at Unite, sitting back with gravy pouring down their chins while the working man loses everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oh dear, do we make no progress towards civilisation ? If i was a person to whom Scargill was a hero, I would need my gun to shoot myself. Not encouraging anyone to do that BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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