LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hi all Story in brief Traded my van in against a new van in November. Garage didn't put V5 into their name so they could transfer this straight into the sellers name. This made sense so as not to put an unnecessary previous keeper on the document Tax ran out in January I have now been fined as tax not renewed I will put this all to the DVLA but surely this can't be uncommon practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 You should have done this, What to do if you are selling your vehicle to a motor trader who has asked for the whole V5C When selling your vehicle to a motor trader you must fill in section 9 of the V5C and send it to us. The motor trader does not need this section and should not keep it. You should give the rest of the V5C to them. It is your responsibility to ensure that section 9 is sent to us, even if the motor trader offers to do this for you. If the motor trader keeps the whole V5C, you should send us a signed letter confirming who you passed the vehicle to and the date this took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) On the transfer doc you get a new keepers slip this allows you to tax it at PO or DVLA office but not online. Oh it was the old van, misread. You should have sent off the docs to say you were no longer registered keeper. Edited February 1, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 ....and the odds are pretty strong you will have to pay as well! But good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) If you can prove the date of sale to the garage you might be ok-explain that the dealer told you it was common practice not to transfer ownership until the vehicle was re-sold. BTW-did trhey not send you a reminder? Edited February 1, 2014 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 If they never transferred ownership, you would have received the renewal notice and reminders? I forgot to tax one of my cars and got a "final demand" letter - did you ignore yours? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Thanks for all advice If they never transferred ownership, you would have received the renewal notice and reminders? I forgot to tax one of my cars and got a "final demand" letter - did you ignore yours? Nick First I heard was the fine. Joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I would take the documents to the garage and ask them to pay the fine as it was them who was in the wrong in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I've submitted an appeal and sent a copy of the invoice and trade in docs. TFL fine yesterday, this today, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I've submitted an appeal and sent a copy of the invoice and trade in docs. TFL fine yesterday, this today, I give up. Did you send your docs by special delivery? You would be shocked how many people know nothing until a bailiff knocks on the door and dvla state that they never got the docs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Its nothing to do with transfer of ownership as the van now belongs to the garage... Its moreover the legal registered keeper who is responsible for vehicle excise duty... Irrespective of what they said you should or shouldn't have done you must inform the DVLA that you were no longer the registered keeper.This happened to me a couple of years back with and unscrupulous dealer and I was up the creek without a paddle I'm afraid. The bill of sale I presented to the DVLA was returned to me with a "sorry mate but cough up" letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Did the trader not tell you to do that?? What a decent fella. IF that had set off speed cameras, made off with out paying for fuel it would come back to you buddy. He left you wide open there what an A hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Did you send your docs by special delivery? You would be shocked how many people know nothing until a bailiff knocks on the door and dvla state that they never got the docs. I haven't sent it yet but maybe I should. What a royal PITA. That puts me at nearly £250 of fines this week. May as well have stayed in bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I haven't sent it yet but maybe I should. What a royal PITA. That puts me at nearly £250 of fines this week. May as well have stayed in bed. The DVLA might well take a dim view of the traders actions so I would speak to them first and suggest they pay the fine. They may agree to this rather than face potential investigation from the DVLA... because essentially they are being dishonest. If nothing else it would certainly stop them from giving such poor advice again. If the tax had just been renewed when you traded it in you can bet your last pound that they would have transferred the registered keeper because they would have applied for a rebate on the outstanding tax. All dealers are dodgy until proven otherwise. Edited February 1, 2014 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 All dealers are dodgy until proven otherwise. +1 Dead On Mate: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's just so frustrating to go through life paying VAT, corporation tax, personal tax, not taking cash, paying CIS, paying PAYE only to get nailed by TFL (for a misunderstanding) and the DVLA for something I hadn't intentionally done in the space of a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's just so frustrating to go through life paying VAT, corporation tax, personal tax, not taking cash, paying CIS, paying PAYE only to get nailed by TFL (for a misunderstanding) and the DVLA for something I hadn't intentionally done in the space of a week. Tell me about it.....Honesty is always the best policy but I wonder sometimes ... I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Tell me about it.....Honesty is always the best policy but I wonder sometimes ... I really do. I know what you mean! I do everything honestly so I have a clear conscious and can sleep easy but sometimes...! I should thank my stars that I can afford it but that's beside the point, it's just really really annoying to waste money this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glb8686 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Signing it to a trader don't add an extra owner as far as I'm aware. Also, just because your not the owner of the car you are the registered keeper which means it's all on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Signing it to a trader don't add an extra owner as far as I'm aware. Also, just because your not the owner of the car you are the registered keeper which means it's all on you. Indeed the forms are designed like this the trader isn't a registered keeper on log book until they fill in the form and send it iff the sellers supposed to declare the sale and the trader declares the new keeper after sale. Sorry don't think you'll get anywhere.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Thanks guys, unfortunately this wonderful knowledge has come two months too late Edited February 1, 2014 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 if the tax ran out yesterday they must have sent letter by rocket! also you would have been sent a tax renewal or sorn letter if this has not happened what is going on.as previously said garage/dealer should have filled in yellow part of v5c this would have put van into trade and not put extra owner on logbook you would have not received any correspondence if this had been done but as said send off proof of sale and other docs.hopefully all should be ok. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 if the tax ran out yesterday they must have sent letter by rocket! also you would have been sent a tax renewal or sorn letter if this has not happened what is going on.as previously said garage/dealer should have filled in yellow part of v5c this would have put van into trade and not put extra owner on logbook you would have not received any correspondence if this had been done but as said send off proof of sale and other docs.hopefully all should be ok. good luck. Ran out last day of November. First I hear is a fine through the post. Will send off all relevant documents but doubt that it will save me any money :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypen Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sorry but I think you may be screwed,,,,,,,,, In the Coventry telegraph this week SEVEN people were fined by the Court in their absence £200 + £65 costs + £15 " victims support " for failing to notify sale or transfer of a vehicle... you alone are deemed responsible for such notification unless you have scrapped the vehicle through a registered recycling unit who undertake the notification of the disposal ymmv however ....Good Luck harrypen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Tax and fines, that's what runs this Country, and the more decent you are the more you pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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