buying a pcp.... HELP PLEASE

[TrimB]

Hello all, i have owned a BSA Lightning xl se 12 ft/lb, I have had a lot of success with it (rabbits, squirrels and pigeons). I think its time to upgrade to a pcp. If any of you can help in which gun to buy that would be greatly appreciated bearing in mind i'm looking for a lightweight full power practical hunting rifle

[sishyplops]

Need to know your budget that's the first question matey, also does that budget include all the ancillaries you will need such as bottle and lead,

 

I have had an S410, daystate mk4 is, and a HW100

 

Best was the daystate but is a lot of money, was more than happy with the second hand S410 to be honest

[Jim_gsxr1000]

I have a s400 good bit of kit, had a hw100t was lovely and accurate but very heavy !

[TrimB]

budget is £550

what kind of groups are you getting with a s410

[bruno22rf]

"What type of groups are you getting with the s410?"-simples.....how good are you? Any of the AA range s200/400/410 etc will outshoot 99% of people on this site-if you are considering buying a S410 then don't worry about accuracy-it comes as standard!!

Edited February 8, 2014 by bruno22rf

[TrimB]

but are s410s hunters and are they light

[chrisjpainter]

but are s410s hunters and are they light

pretty light (6.8lbs), especially if you go for the superlight version. the BSA ultra SE and the falcon lighthunter would be lighter, but it's small degrees - half a pound in the case of the Ultra SE to the S410.

 

Is it a hunter? Yes, but then that's a slightly odd question to ask, aside from obvious target guns (hammerli ar20, etc) a gun is what you make it. The S410 is manoeuvrable, fairly light, multishot, and is incredibly accurate. But then again, the S400 is all of those things except multishot, but it's still a cracking hunter. by the time you add a bipod and a scope, the Daystate Airwolf is nudging 10lbs, but was designed purely for the hunting scene. It's got massive shot count, whereas the BSA Ultra SE has a shot count of 50, but is superb for building pest control and shooting from vehicles because of its compact size.

 

If you laid them all out, you'd find all manner of guns that would be rightly classed as hunters, but seem complete opposites. weight, shot count, multishot, single shot, tactical stock, wood stock. shrouded barrel, non shrouded barrel, the list goes on.

 

The fact is, the thing that defines whether a gun is a hunter or not is the large flabby thing behind it - the shooter. If the shooter isn't accurate, then no gun in the world would be a 'hunter' for them.

 

Any gun that can shoot consistent kill zone groups (3/4" groups - or 5p piece), will do you and could be called a hunter and that list is MASSIVE. But if you stick to the main brands, you're going to get a decent gun. AA, Theoben, BSA, Weihrauch, Falcon, Daystate etc. My personal favourite would be a BSA R10 for that sort of money. 200+ shot count (.22; 160 in .177) shoots beautifully looks great and is fantastically well balanced.

[Oli383]

If you like your BSA then you could get a BSA ultra multishot or a scorpion multi shot for that price, both great rifles and cheap.

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

Have a look at a BSA Super 10 or R10 Second hand. Falcon FN 12 or 19.

Budget of £550 you will need a pump or an Air Cylinder to charge the gun. App £120.

www.airgunpellet.co.uk Are doing new 3 filter 250 bar pumps for £109.

Have a look at Hatsan AT44 10 W. or the BT 65. Both are excellent value for money.

They come with 2 x 10 shot mags. Air pressure Gauge. Walther match Barrel. So very Accurate.

[pickerup]

Have a look at a BSA Super 10 or R10 Second hand. Falcon FN 12 or 19.

Budget of £550 you will need a pump or an Air Cylinder to charge the gun. App £120.

www.airgunpellet.co.uk Are doing new 3 filter 250 bar pumps for £109.

Have a look at Hatsan AT44 10 W. or the BT 65. Both are excellent value for money.

They come with 2 x 10 shot mags. Air pressure Gauge. Walther match Barrel. So very Accurate.

Whats the difference between a bsa super10 mk2, and a bsa r10.

are they the same weight,

shot count, which is the best of the 2.

are they regulated.

p/u.

[chrisjpainter]

Whats the difference between a bsa super10 mk2, and a bsa r10.

are they the same weight,

shot count, which is the best of the 2.

are they regulated.

p/u.

The R10 was meant to pick up where the S10 left off. Superficially you could say they're the same, but in reality it's not quite like that.

Both regulated, comparable shot count, multishot, I think the R10's a bit lighter, but not by much. Unfortunately, the R10, like some horrendous tribute act, has a tendency to vomit all over the pedigree of the S10. From the factory, it's not the gun it really should have been. The S10 is far more consistent and reliable. The regulator is really good on the S10. They produce much tighter figures than the R10 - which is average at best, although the very new ones are supposed to be a bit more stable. By all accounts, the S10 also handles itself as an FAC much better. This all came at a cost of manufacturing for BSA, so the profit margins weren't great. So, when the R10 was brought in they addressed this by dropping the quality. The R10 had similar design credentials, but was built to cost, not at a cost. It's a lot less reliable from gun to gun. Some are great, some awful and spend more time at BSA than with the shooter and some are in between.

 

Which is better? Well, I've had a couple of S10 - a mk2 and a mk3 - and didn't get on with them, but only for subjective reasons. I never found the Mk2 stock very comfortable and the mk3 was a .22 and I much prefer .177. Now I have an R10 and that is way more comfortable to shoot than either. It's a lot better looking (I think) and it's incredibly accurate and consistent. I'd take it over any S10 any day. Contradiction? Not at all. Mine's been played with. I sent mine to XTX for a tune. Darrin got rid of the BSA regulator and put in a tench reg, so shot to shot it hasn't yet strayed more than 5fps. The loading system's been smoothed out, and one or two other bits done. John Bowkett, who designed the S10 and R10 (Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but did JB fall out with BSA over cost cutting on the R10?) does a similar thing to the R10. Personally I'd take my tuned R10 over an S10, without a shadow of a doubt. Out of the box though? A second hand S10 is still the better gun

Edited February 9, 2014 by chrisjpainter

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

Plus + 1. Chris has more than answered every question and is spot on.

 

The only thing i could had is the early BSA Super 10 Magazines had there problems.

There`s nothing worse than having a Rat in the cross hairs.

And the mag failed to load a pellet. Just a bang and watch the Rats run.

Stripping them and de-burring them. And increasing the spring tension helped.

Later Mags are a lot better with an alloy centre instead of plastic.

Edited February 9, 2014 by NIGHT SEARCHER

[JohnFreeman1310]

If you are interested in a BSA r10 mk 2 .177 I'm mint condition I'm thinking of parting ways with pm me if you would like some info I'll get back to you ASAP.

Edited February 9, 2014 by JohnFreeman1310

[Varmint223]

HW100kt , fantastic rifles and the best magazine system...bar none !

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

HW100kt , fantastic rifles and the best magazine system...bar none !

 

 

He has a budget of £550 for a Rifle. Scope. Silencer. And a pump or Cylinder.

[belly47]

I have my r10 up for sale on gun watch. £450

 

take a look

 

happy to answer any questions

 

 

excellent rifle

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

That looks a mint R10. What`s the extra piece is that a barrel shroud. Cheap at £450.

 

That would leave TrimB with £100. And needing a Scope and a pump or Cylinder.

 

BSA r10 MARK 2 £450 .177 Air Rifle Private Seller Used - Excellent Condition rochester, Kent Pre-Charged Pneumatic Description

 

lovely rifle for sale, would not sell if had my way but family finances dictate that as its not being used its time to sell.

bought it in brand new in july 2011.

been back to bsa after I bought it as it was over power but since has been superb, very very accurate with diablo 8.4gr pellets

 

 

This gun is being sold by Pigeon Watch member belly47. Message them here

View all the gun sale details on Gun Watch

 

[pickerup]

The R10 was meant to pick up where the S10 left off. Superficially you could say they're the same, but in reality it's not quite like that.

Both regulated, comparable shot count, multishot, I think the R10's a bit lighter, but not by much. Unfortunately, the R10, like some horrendous tribute act, has a tendency to vomit all over the pedigree of the S10. From the factory, it's not the gun it really should have been. The S10 is far more consistent and reliable. The regulator is really good on the S10. They produce much tighter figures than the R10 - which is average at best, although the very new ones are supposed to be a bit more stable. By all accounts, the S10 also handles itself as an FAC much better. This all came at a cost of manufacturing for BSA, so the profit margins weren't great. So, when the R10 was brought in they addressed this by dropping the quality. The R10 had similar design credentials, but was built to cost, not at a cost. It's a lot less reliable from gun to gun. Some are great, some awful and spend more time at BSA than with the shooter and some are in between.

 

Which is better? Well, I've had a couple of S10 - a mk2 and a mk3 - and didn't get on with them, but only for subjective reasons. I never found the Mk2 stock very comfortable and the mk3 was a .22 and I much prefer .177. Now I have an R10 and that is way more comfortable to shoot than either. It's a lot better looking (I think) and it's incredibly accurate and consistent. I'd take it over any S10 any day. Contradiction? Not at all. Mine's been played with. I sent mine to XTX for a tune. Darrin got rid of the BSA regulator and put in a tench reg, so shot to shot it hasn't yet strayed more than 5fps. The loading system's been smoothed out, and one or two other bits done. John Bowkett, who designed the S10 and R10 (Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but did JB fall out with BSA over cost cutting on the R10?) does a similar thing to the R10. Personally I'd take my tuned R10 over an S10, without a shadow of a doubt. Out of the box though? A second hand S10 is still the better gun

 

The R10 was meant to pick up where the S10 left off. Superficially you could say they're the same, but in reality it's not quite like that.

Both regulated, comparable shot count, multishot, I think the R10's a bit lighter, but not by much. Unfortunately, the R10, like some horrendous tribute act, has a tendency to vomit all over the pedigree of the S10. From the factory, it's not the gun it really should have been. The S10 is far more consistent and reliable. The regulator is really good on the S10. They produce much tighter figures than the R10 - which is average at best, although the very new ones are supposed to be a bit more stable. By all accounts, the S10 also handles itself as an FAC much better. This all came at a cost of manufacturing for BSA, so the profit margins weren't great. So, when the R10 was brought in they addressed this by dropping the quality. The R10 had similar design credentials, but was built to cost, not at a cost. It's a lot less reliable from gun to gun. Some are great, some awful and spend more time at BSA than with the shooter and some are in between.

 

Which is better? Well, I've had a couple of S10 - a mk2 and a mk3 - and didn't get on with them, but only for subjective reasons. I never found the Mk2 stock very comfortable and the mk3 was a .22 and I much prefer .177. Now I have an R10 and that is way more comfortable to shoot than either. It's a lot better looking (I think) and it's incredibly accurate and consistent. I'd take it over any S10 any day. Contradiction? Not at all. Mine's been played with. I sent mine to XTX for a tune. Darrin got rid of the BSA regulator and put in a tench reg, so shot to shot it hasn't yet strayed more than 5fps. The loading system's been smoothed out, and one or two other bits done. John Bowkett, who designed the S10 and R10 (Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but did JB fall out with BSA over cost cutting on the R10?) does a similar thing to the R10. Personally I'd take my tuned R10 over an S10, without a shadow of a doubt. Out of the box though? A second hand S10 is still the better gun

Many thanks for the info Chris

atb

p/u.

[retromlc]

A complete set up for £550 will probably not get your a long term ownership gun,£550 will get you a superb rifle,save for the rest

[Alyshy]

In November my wife bought me a Daystate Mk1with a 3ltr bottle bipod,scope and regulator,pellets and bag for £450,

it`s quite heavy but accurate and good to handle. magazines can be troublesome though.

 

 

Jonathan

[DTS]

I'd agree with finding an R10 second hand and saving for a bottle, or if you head over to facebook and join the bsa r10 group there is a great little package going opfor £550 if I remember rightly

[secretagentmole]

A complete set up for £550 will probably not get your a long term ownership gun,£550 will get you a superb rifle,save for the rest

Want to bet? With some guidance he can come out whistling with a nice Super 10, mark 1 HW100 (ie non quickfill), any number of Air Arms (S200, S400, S410, S510, S300, S310), another to look for is the Webley Venom Sidewinder, great guns!

 

Hell three years ago we got a Daystate X2, Hawke MAP scope, HW silencer, bipod, gun bag, target box, pellets and a carbon fibre 300 bar cylinder for £275!

Edited February 10, 2014 by secretagentmole

[secretagentmole]

I'd agree with finding an R10 second hand and saving for a bottle, or if you head over to facebook and join the bsa r10 group there is a great little package going opfor £550 if I remember rightly

Not a gun for a new PCP owner, too many problems that can surface further on, such as regulator o rings disintegrating, the possibility of getting the horrible trigger cocking mechanism version which is nearly as daft as the MMC Ultra).

 

I would avoid an MMC Ultra, not because it is a bad gun, but because it has a stupid loading and cocking mechanism. You want to keep it simple, simple bolt or sidelever operation!

[TDRsniper]

I am obviously biased on this one but I think the S410 TDR is a close to perfect as it gets, incredibly accurate, very lightweight and a tried and tested humane hunting rifle, I use mine for rabbits rats pigeon magpie crow squirrel and it does the job cleanly and quickly on all of the above.

As an aside, I used to be employed by 2 local authorities to carry out weapons based pest control (town centre pigeon culls etc) and both for insurance purposes purchased their own weapons and kit, interestingly both were AA S410.

[Theskyfox]

I am obviously biased on this one but I think the S410 TDR is a close to perfect as it gets, incredibly accurate, very lightweight and a tried and tested humane hunting rifle, I use mine for rabbits rats pigeon magpie crow squirrel and it does the job cleanly and quickly on all of the above.

As an aside, I used to be employed by 2 local authorities to carry out weapons based pest control (town centre pigeon culls etc) and both for insurance purposes purchased their own weapons and kit, interestingly both were AA S410.

 

Having just bought one of these myself....+1 lol (AA S410F TDR). Though in honesty its more expensive than the "regular" S410, so a newbie might want to save a bit of cash and go for the standard version which is the same just a little heavier.

 

Also, I gave up on the factory supplied bag after my scope made it tight, the Bipod made it completely fail to fit and my swap for the HW moderator made it too long lol....not to mention the lamp had nowhere to go too!

 

-Andrew