darren_mc Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 has anyone got a renewal for shotgun and firearms in with durham at the moment, have you been asked to take a form to doctors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 has anyone got a renewal for shotgun and firearms in with durham at the moment, have you been asked to take a form to doctors Loads of info' regarding this if you do a search. Inform BASC if you're a member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswaters Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 has anyone got a renewal for shotgun and firearms in with durham at the moment, have you been asked to take a form to doctors My renewal is due in a few months and Durham police have asked me to pay for a doctors note,I contacted BASC just this week and was told not to conform with the police. BASC have held a meeting with the firearms dept at Durham police and have been told this is a trial dry run but it my eyes they want to move the goalposts on firearm renewals. If Durham police had done there job correctly with the Atherton shooting at Peterlee then none of this would be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 yes if a member of basc, then let them know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Mates took from sept 2013 to jan 2014,yes it was the doctors forms £70 each.Durham also refused or tried to refuse a temp cert as his original ran out during this time.BASC had to get involved.Thet eventually cave him a temp cert but not willingly,his renewal eventually came through and ironically the doctors forms have still not been sent to Durham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswaters Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Mates took from sept 2013 to jan 2014,yes it was the doctors forms £70 each.Durham also refused or tried to refuse a temp cert as his original ran out during this time.BASC had to get involved.Thet eventually cave him a temp cert but not willingly,his renewal eventually came through and ironically the doctors forms have still not been sent to Durham quote] Did your mate pay the 70 and get a note or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Durham were insisting on the med forms,as far as I am aware they only issued the renewal after pressure of BASC.At the point of receiving the FAC/SGC back,the forms had still not been sent back & he has not yet rec a bill from the docs. The disturbing bit was,he works offshore and when he got in the heliport(on xmas eve) he checked his mobi and it was 2 missed calls from Durham advising him if he didnt get his guns into an rdf buy the end of the day they would arrest him for holding firearms without a licence.He was initially told before he went off shore that a cover licence would be issued.They of course denied this call ever took place and refused him a cover licence saying they dont do this. You can imagine his panic as he was in a heliport in Aberdeen at 2pm and was being asked to drive back to county durham to get his guns into a RDF on xmas eve. Edited February 20, 2014 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 £70 doctors note £66 BASC membership I know which I would rather pay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 So what exactly is the position on this.the doctors letter was supposed to be a pilot for six months which David from basc said on here finished about ten days ago.so are we to take it that it is still happening.in which case it is no longer a pilot.it does seem that neither the authorities or our organizations are not really on top of this as if it is an illegal act on behalf of the police it should not have taken this long to get it stopped. £70 doctors note £66 BASC membership I know which I would rather pay! Exactly £70 every five years against £330 no contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Thats £70 for the FAC & £70 for the SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Thats £70 for the FAC & £70 for the SGC.[/ Have you not got yours co then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Sorry bostonmick,dont know what you mean 'got your co' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Sorry bostonmick,dont know what you mean 'got your co' Renew together.at the same time.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) My mates where renewed at the same time,quote from gp,was initially £40 each but now quoted £70 each,you would think that being a renewal together Durham would only require the 1 med letter.But they insisted on 2 individuals,1 for the SGC and 1 for the FAC. If you could see the mistakes Durham have made, no wonder the general public have no confidence. Example my sons FAC/SGC licence coming back with wrong name on it. Computers being updated with notes stating waiting for letters from sons school when the officer concerned forgot to write to them. Officer interviewing my son was not aware I held FAC/SGC. Other friends getting certs back with guns they have never owned. Thats just the greif they cause us,I was in a local lRDF last friday picking up a new gun and the stories I was told about Durham would generate public outrage. Its not the shooters that the public need to gain confidence in, its the authorities that are running the licencing that will be the end of shooting. OH and because I got BASC involved with my sons applications and I called Durham twice in 8mths progress chasing I have been told that it will makne my renewal more difficult. It's about time the licencing was ran centrally as there are too many inconsistencies between forces which is resulting in mistake after mistake. Edited February 21, 2014 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 My mates where renewed at the same time,quote from gp,was initially £40 each but now quoted £70 each,you would think that being a renewal together Durham would only require the 1 med letter.But they insisted on 2 individuals,1 for the SGC and 1 for the FAC. If you could see the mistakes Durham have made, no wonder the general public have no confidence. Example my sons FAC/SGC licence coming back with wrong name on it. Computers being updated with notes stating waiting for letters from sons school when the officer concerned forgot to write to them. Officer interviewing my son was not aware I held FAC/SGC. Other friends getting certs back with guns they have never owned. Thats just the greif they cause us,I was in a local lRDF last friday picking up a new gun and the stories I was told about Durham would generate public outrage. Its not the shooters that the public need to gain confidence in, its the authorities that are running the licencing that will be the end of shooting. OH and because I got BASC involved with my sons applications and I called Durham twice in 8mths progress chasing I have been told that it will makne my renewal more difficult. It's about time the licencing was ran centrally as there are too many inconsistencies between forces which is resulting in mistake after mistake. Well asking for seperate letters for what is after all the same application is just plain wrong.i do wonder why after all these months this has not been taken to court.the forces have to take the lions share of the blame for this but our organizations are not blame free.if this is the blatant flouting of the law that is being claimed why has it gone on for so long.if a union votes to strike a company is in court the next week getting an injunction.so why is the same not being done for this.if the only reason is finance then the shooting public must also shoulder some of the blame for not supporting the organizations.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Its not the finance or trying to accumilate additional revenue that concerns me,its the consistant errors.I dont mind paying a greater licence fee,but what I would expect is a decent level of service and my records kept up to date and also to be treated with respect when I phone if it all goes tits up insted of being told 'you will make it difficult for yourself come renewal time'. Durham are really digging a bigger hole after the Atherton case.They appear to be putting pressure on the licence holder.They should sort it out in house 1st.How can it be that 2 officers hadn't read the home office guidance before or while in their posts. The genaral public only see as far as us shooters, so it always falls on our door. Before any public faith can be restored they need to sort the mess out inshop.We will never gain the publics faith and respect if the people in control are in turmoil. Why dont Durham just own up their mistakes,insted of trying to burry their heads. BASC and all the other shooting organization's really need to get together on this,there should be a national conferance with all authoritatives, the books should be re written.Where all authorities follow the strictest application process and arnt allowed sway away from that process by follow ABCDFG,instead of FACBGD.Whats the point of an feo visiting you in week 1 if you gona get turned down in the following weeks/months.If something isn't done we may find ourselves with 0 firearms/shotgun policy within the next 10yrs. Edited February 21, 2014 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren_mc Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 yes letter came in yesterdays post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Its not the finance or trying to accumilate additional revenue that concerns me,its the consistant errors.I dont mind paying a greater licence fee,but what I would expect is a decent level of service and my records kept up to date and also to be treated with respect when I phone if it all goes tits up insted of being told 'you will make it difficult for yourself come renewal time'. Durham are really digging a bigger hole after the Atherton case.They appear to be putting pressure on the licence holder.They should sort it out in house 1st.How can it be that 2 officers hadn't read the home office guidance before or while in their posts. The genaral public only see as far as us shooters, so it always falls on our door. Before any public faith can be restored they need to sort the mess out inshop.We will never gain the publics faith and respect if the people in control are in turmoil. Why dont Durham just own up their mistakes,insted of trying to burry their heads. BASC and all the other shooting organization's really need to get together on this,there should be a national conferance with all authoritatives, the books should be re written.Where all authorities follow the strictest application process and arnt allowed sway away from that process by follow ABCDFG,instead of FACBGD.Whats the point of an feo visiting you in week 1 if you gona get turned down in the following weeks/months.If something isn't done we may find ourselves with 0 firearms/shotgun policy within the next 10yrs. Well it certainly does not sound as if any increase in finance would help in Durham.the problems there are obviously deeper.change I feel can only be forced upon them and other forces who may wish to write their own rule book by the home office.and that is where the shooting public have to dig into their pockets and supporting our organizations giving them the power and funds to pressure the home office into pulling forces back into line.fortunately most forces are doing a very good job.however vigilance is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 If you read the letter they send you carefully its actually a request for you to volunteer to submit the doctors report (or at least the one i saw on Sunday gone was), not a demand. Just ignore it and do your renewal as normal. If they start getting shirty, get BASC involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Totally agree with you mate,They all need to fight this as one,instead of trying to claim the glory themselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 yes letter came in yesterdays post The trial scheme has ended so you should not be being asked to do this. It's not a legal requirement and you do not have to do it. Please let David from BASC know about this and if possible let him have a copy of the letter, you can PM him here, http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/user/2198-david-basc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) has anyone got a renewal for shotgun and firearms in with durham at the moment, have you been asked to take a form to doctors Did my fac renewal at Christmas time Durham wanted me to fill in the form but they said it was "NOT" mandatory to take part so I didn't and my renewal went through no problem. Although they did try to push for me to get it filled in they didn't insist on it. My doctor said he would have charged me £25 to do it if he agreed it was required by him to do it. Edited February 21, 2014 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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